9. Pay & Display Reaction and Lovejoy News Aplenty - Both Good & Sad

0:00 Hello and welcome back for episode 9 of the Lovejoy Nation podcast. What's new everyone? What's there been been up to? Hey, I've just, what have I been up to? I've just returned from a little vacation, as you folks call it, down in Cornwall. Lovely, fantastic, nice and relaxing. Other than that, it's been back to work and stressful. Oh, I don't like to hear that. So what about you, Angie? Hey guys, Well, school has school is back in session here, so I have been consumed with driving back and forth to school. Pebble just started high school, so that is a brand new adventure for all of us.

0:50 Other than that, I've just been, you know, doing the usual everyday kind of thing and looking forward to Tour, which is going to start sooner rather than later. It feels like time goes fast, so that's about it. Sounds fun but and chaotic the same time. But yeah, the tour, we'll be here. I think the album's in 40 days as of this recording. Someone said today. So that's wild. Take their math and trust it. I've been up to. We just adopted a a puppy dog. We've had a little pretty girl. Yeah, Daisy as a a new companion for our dog Mikey, because about a month ago we had to put our older girl down.

1:35 She was not doing well, but she lived a nice, good, long life. But then Mikey was lonely, so we found him a little friend. Now he's the Big Brother. It's been a blast. So yeah, we officially had just adopted her. So that's what's going on in my world. Chaotic as well. Sounds like they're getting along well. Yeah, definitely besties now, which is a relief. Good. So what's on the show tonight? On today's episode we will discuss Lovejoy band news, the latest happenings with the band, pay pay and display the new single and music video that just dropped Fave the app for fans. We will talk more about that and tour talk, updates, ticket availability, latest discussions about anything related to the tour, the One simple tour.

2:24 Now to move on to the band news. Sadly this news should be happier but than it is. But we do have to talk about it. But let's see, how long ago was that? A couple weeks ago someone discovered in the Uki believe because they had UK Ticketmaster, they got an alert for two shows in Brighton for August 18th and 19th. Like a secret surprise debut album reveal gig that Green Door Store and Alphabet, two small clubs in Brighton. And so everyone was freaking out, especially anyone that was available to go and lived in the area.

3:07 I even knew some people that were on vacation or planning vacations. They started to ship their plans to get to these to these gigs because holy smokes. To see them perform the songs from the album, you know, full like 2 months before the release huge and these small venues, I think they only held like a hundred 150 people. Well, unfortunately, most unfortunately there were some negative comments made online and I believe that it started with the opening band caught wind or found out about, you know, the. Situation. Yeah. The situation that, yeah, that we can't seem to get away from and the the band, the opening band decided to pull out of doing the two shows.

3:58 And once that happened and there was just unfortunately, a lot of negativity in the comments raised enough red flags for the operators of these two clubs that they saw at best, to just avoid any potential issues, situations that, you know, they'd rather not to have to deal with, unfortunately. And they decided to no longer host these events in their spaces. And so it's just very sad and discouraging. And we can only imagine how that felt for the boys being at their their hometown and to be treated this way. But I know Dave, being from England, you have your own take and, and you know, perspective on it because you were one of those people that was rearranging life to make this this happen.

4:50 I was indeed. Obviously, you know, news of it broke and we all went frantic. I was on holiday at the time and it was like, yeah, tickets come out then, blah, blah, blah. Spoke to you folks and we were like, amazing, can't wait. I was supposedly due back to work that day. But yeah, I was going to go. I was going to do my damnedest to get tickets. I would have been in trouble with my daughter. I'm. Just going to save. Time trouble to the extent of I've now had to buy her MCR tickets just to soften the pain of an upcoming gig if it comes up and I've got to take her to watch this group, whoever they are.

5:36 Excuse me? But yeah, and then and then the dog do hit the fan and everything was cancelled. And just over some comments really. There was a few comments on both of the club's Instagram. And yeah, it just, it just went well, spiraled downhill really. And I was absolutely gutted. I'd planned what I was going to do, what time I was going to get down there. I was even going to plan to try and meet up with your friend who was going to try and get to the gig as well so that we could report back for you folks. Basically, you know that Monday night we would have known all the song titles, everything.

6:28 You would have had. Think about it. Yeah. I felt so bad for everyone that was so excited to go. Just what, what a what a punch to the gut. I mean, it's just awful. And for what? For nothing. I mean, really. Yeah, I know on the Monday I sent you both a text and I'm like, it's my first day back at work. I should have been in Brighton now and it just sucks. And I was really down for a couple of days, sort of Monday, Tuesday, yeah. It didn't help going back to work after a couple of weeks off, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. When those dates came and you knew what what should have been happening those dates.

7:14 And I do want to say that there were fans outspoken on these Instagram accounts for Alphabet and Green door store, you know, expressing their heartbreak even, you know, parents, kids, you know, all ages and and expressing positive things about Lovejoy. But it wasn't enough. And I don't know, there's got to be more than 100 of these kinds of places in Brighton that the week I spent there, I didn't really see any mischief, but I know it happens and especially when people are drinking and I guess they just want to avoid any potential skirmishes that could happen.

8:02 I don't think there is really a safety issue like some. They had used that wording that bothered me. Other than if you know, he just takes one rowdy person right? One rowdy hater. And and you know what? Protest to something someone else? That probably would have been a person outside. Really come to the gig. That's not painting to come to the gig. Protest. Correct. I will say though, looking at all the comments on alphabet and the green door, I think it was called one good thing. I guess we could say if there is a good thing is that almost all of the comments from the Lovejoy fans were respectful. I didn't see, you know, a lot of insulting the venue or, you know, insulting somebody else.

8:52 I saw a lot of people on the other side of the coin being very insulting and disrespectful. But I did not see Lovejoy fans acting that way. So good job guys. Yeah, I was going to comment, but I was just so bitter and I thought if I comment I'm going to say something that I regret. Right. And then in someone will come back and say something extra room. Exactly there and then it escalates. So it was just easier just to unfollow him and walk away. But absolutely gutted and I know we're going to talk about it later.

9:33 I asked the question in Will's Q&A and somebody else answered the question about will there be a Brighton gig and. Or UK gig. Yeah, or. UK gig and he replied We are working on it so there's a glimmer of hope. As long as it's not Manchester, OH. God. I'll accept London, I'm not going to Manchester. It's team, yeah. Let's get real Dave, you would go. Not to Manchester. It's too far for a day out. It's too. Far. Come on now, got. To do it for the pod. Yeah, you got to take one for the team, Dave. I would have had to have driven down to Brighton, watched the gig because the last train home was about 10:15 and you think is the gig going to finish by then?

10:25 So and then I would have actually by the time I would have got back to the car, I would have been home at probably half twelve, 1:00 and then up for work the next day. But I would have done that for the team. Aw, thanks. No, I get it. But I I hope we hear some good news soon about. I really. Schedule. I really do. Sadly, I do think they may have trouble in Brighton now. I don't know when I say trouble. Trouble getting a gig. Right, because it's crazy. Because. Obviously I was there for a week, but I wore Lovejoy shirts every day, carried around a Lovejoy tote bag, Lovejoy pins on my bag, surrounded by tons of people. I never heard like a backhanded comment. I never saw someone make a face.

11:14 I never anything. Don't care. Like I've seen people say, especially when this whole thing was fresh. Oh, like I'll get beat up if I wear my Lovejoy shirt in London or or Brighton or something. No, this is all, this is mostly like online thing and it's all about what's the image? No trying to think of the word. They have to look like they're being where they're the upstanding ones and they're taking a stand and you know. They're being performative, Yeah. And you know, the people that started it probably weren't even from Brighton at all. Probably, you know, probably had nothing to do with the city. But you know what? They've been trying. There's been a a group of people that make it their job to try to get the shows cancelled and they've tried in Asia and Australia and elsewhere and these venues for the most part and their larger venues.

12:12 Maybe that's it. Don't care if you. If. If people. Bums on seats, money in the bank. As long as everything goes smoothly, they don't care. I think that's just what added extra hurt to the whole equation. Was that great? Now there's going to be gloating because they were successful this one time, you know, and of all places where these guys are from. And most venues won't listen to a bunch of hearsay. And he said, she said and stuff without any, any it's, it's just words. It's just, it's just people making up things. And I was actually a little surprised that a venue would go so far as to take action on that because these other places, they don't care. They know that, you know, people talk and there are so many rumors and everything else going on about other people. And they, like Dave said, it's it's not even a blip on their radar.

13:13 The fact that they bowed down to that kills me because, you know, the opening band is probably some new younger band sort of freshly out of the gate. Lovejoy was recognized by MTV, Rolling Stone, You know, it was on the charts in the UK, just toured all over the world. It just doesn't compute there. That's a big get to get for a small venue. So that. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they they're lost too. And so part of me also wonders, we'll never know, you know, I know one of the venues said, well, we're going to talk to some people and try to figure this out, right.

13:57 And the next thing you know, they cancelled. Part of me is like, did they go back to the band? And did they, did they ever freaking talk to them or, and if and if they did, did the band just like say, Hey, you know what? We don't, we don't want any problems. Like, it's fine. Maybe they surrendered. Maybe they said, you know what? Forget it. Who knows, but I know I was bummed out. Yeah, and I know that probably 506 hundred, 700 other and let's face it, adult fans of Lovejoy. True because it wasn't over Eighteens gig. That's right, yeah. We're bummed out. It was sad. I'm sorry, I was going to say.

14:38 It was sad for the people the next day that were like, wait, where's the ticket sales? Where? Why can't I find where you buy the tickets? No, I know I saw that there were some people that didn't know and these venues, I mean, they both could have sold probably at least two nights worth of shows. So I mean, they just missed out on, you know, they just missed out on a good opportunity for themselves too. But whatever, I guess. Yeah, HH show probably could have sold out every night for five nights. Oh. For sure. You know. And I'm sure they have like some sort of bouncer or someone at the front should be able to handle like the one or two people that actually were going to show up and be obnoxious when you think about it too. Well, let's move on to happier things because we do have a lot of happy stuff to discuss.

15:23 Angie, maybe you could talk about the Lovejoy subreddit where Will went on this weekend surprises with a pop up Q&A about the album. He did. Oh gosh, was that a couple of days ago? All of a sudden he hopped on the Reddit and took some Q&A and he really had some pretty interesting things to say. One of the things that really piqued my interest is somebody had asked a question pertaining to all of the scrapped songs and quote UN quote B sides and Will replied something to the effect of we have a plan for those and I think that you'll like what we're going to do with them. So I don't know what do we think? Are they going to put out a put out an album of, you know, B sides?

16:07 I think Leslie's you said in a conversation earlier maybe a record store day thing or something like that. I thought that was pretty intriguing and there was quite a few questions about the tour, about the record. I know somebody had asked are you nervous about the tour, and he said yes, yeah. I mean, I'm nervous. I'm. I'm excited too. I'm excited to come back to America. So that was kind of fun to hear, you know, obviously being from the States. So it's excited to hear that. And it's always just a really great opportunity, even if you don't get your question answered. Which Leslie? I know he answered one of yours.

16:48 Yeah. Which one was it? What one did you ask? I asked if he could possibly tell us a favorite lyric from the album that we don't know of yet. Or, you know, just we get like, a little crumb. Oh yeah. That's right. And what did he say? He said he didn't feel it was his place to answer it. He wanted to hear what we thought was like a the favorite, our favorite lyric for when the time. OK, OK. But it's always fun, like I said, even if you don't get your questions answered, it's just it's great to read through and hear what he has to say. And it's, yeah, like when he gets snarky back to the people that are being funny, snarky. Yeah, I love that. I love that somebody asked a non tour question because he said tour and album questions only or whatever.

17:33 He's like, well, that does not relate, but I'll answer it anyway. Fine. Right. He's real. He's like, I realized I was being mean. Yes, but no, there was some really good stuff there. I It's kind of neat to get a little window into what he's thinking and and how things are going, but hopefully he'll come on and do one of those again soon because it's always fun. Yeah, I think maybe an album called Scrapped because it's, everybody always use that word scrapped. And even that video you put on Reddit one time was just scrapped. Yeah. And I thought Record Store Day just as because it's an opportunity to sell records, but for more accessibility for more people, I guess you'd want it to not be a Record Store Day thing.

18:13 You'd want it to be something they sell on their website or in their other concerts or something. No, let's have auk Record Store Day. And US, let's just make it, you know, no, no. Just. Because we have a record store day too, you know? OK. Well then, Dave. I can then I can buy them. I can sell them to you for treble. What? We're friends? Yeah, sure. OK, whatever. Yeah, well we're going to have like 6 signed tour posters. Right. I know. I was thinking about that. Like what are we going to do with these? I'm sure we'll find a good use for them. But Rich.

18:56 World problem. There was a lot of questions too about about if things tie together in the album and I know we'll talk more about that when we talk about pay and display, but that was intriguing to hear what what he said about that and if songs are kind of interwoven together into a story and whatnot. So it's what was there any other questions or answers that really kind of stuck up to out to you guys that you thought were that you thought were interesting? Well, the one sad one was he said they'll play anywhere, anywhere that will have them. Yeah, I, yeah, I think the question was will you be playing so and so or wherever?

19:46 And he, that's what he returned or replied. And I thought, that's so sad. Yeah, real mixed emotions, sort of. Thing those stings? And and makes sense. Too. Are they sorting out AUK tour? Is it already sorted? Have some other people said no? You know what I mean? We don't know what's going on. But I thought, I thought the reply was quite sad. It kind of hurt my heart. Absolutely, I mean the only one that start stood out for me was will you at least have one UK show?

20:30 Which the answer was we are trying. So that's that was just my hope and saving grace. Right, that was a big one. Understandable. OK. So moving on, I remember I think we had a discussion about Awol's disappeared from a picture a couple of three weeks ago. So it turns out that Lovejoy of Hearted ways with AWOL and I'm now using Revolution Records. So they are part of Warner Records, which Lovejoy are also attached to partnering with, I guess you would call it.

21:12 And Revolution Records is the distributor. Yes. And Bill Cat is still there, the label. Yeah, so they've all teamed up and from what we've seen, it's all pretty good so far. Yeah, I mean, anytime you get a chance to work with a big label like that. Yeah, I know. It's a revolution. Is is a subsidiary for the independent market side of it? Right, right. But it's still attached to it, so it's still got a good name. Credibility correct. Yeah, absolutely. And it seems like they are, you know, they do it all, they help with promotion and other things. So I'm I'm already seeing the effects of it that I noticed that some people trying to post clips of the song or videos, a message will come up and mention copyright and that the video is blocked.

22:07 So there it's being extra protected more so than in the past. Which is good. That's good. I mean, it may not be for us where you can't necessarily share it given the time differences and all that lot, but you know, I wouldn't be able to send it to you because I'm in the future. So you know, it's good. You've literally got to try and wait your turn and not be one of those people who get it out soon as it comes in an Indonesia or where. Make sure to funnel the money, really, when it comes down to it, to the creators, the artists themselves.

22:48 Absolutely. And I think, you know, with the album track list as well, I think that's all part of the promotion, the hype really. I know we're going to talk about that a bit. Later or I could get into it now. We could go right to that. Let's go, let's go. Yes, we got the track list. At first we thought it was a mistake, but it's really everywhere now, right? So we have to. It's out there. It's not a secret. And it's funny because Ash was dropping hints for a while and some work. Some people's guesses were really right on. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, with the, I have to say baptism picture, how many times have we looked at it and said baptism, or is it this or is it that, or is it this, could be this, but we've all mentioned the baptism picture. And with that, that appears to be track one on the One Simple Trick album.

23:43 Baptism then pay in display with Rob as my witness. White Shark Cafe. Common Touch. Perfect Blue voxels, Fatal death box, Scoundrels and finishing up with Monochrome and almost 6 minute song. That's going to be an epic finale, isn't it? Yeah. Some of these, like just by the title, I'm like what the heck could this song be with that name? Then you didn't expect, yeah, you didn't expect paying display. We've all had the 26 seconds snippet.

24:27 We just didn't expect pay and display to be what it was. It's very true. I thought it was all going to sound the whole 3 minutes or whatever sounds like that snippet, but it doesn't, which is so cool, and I would have been fine with it sounding like the chorus, but it's so much more, so much more. Yeah, you got to hear it maybe first. No, we did. No, Australia was definitely before. Us oh, I meant from the for as far as the three of us, but. No, because I was asleep. I will not. I refuse to stay up till midnight. I listened to it at 5:45 in the morning, so I don't think I was.

25:10 You might have heard it before me if you stayed up. I didn't hear it till my drive into work like 73745. OK, so Angie may have heard pay and display possibly loosely the same time as me if she stayed up till midnight. Yeah, I did. Actually. It was close. So I was loosely about 6:00, you were loosely about 6:00. It started off and I was like, this is not like the snippet. But then it's like, oh, OK, this is really good, really good. Listen to it again. Just I was. It.

25:51 Was freaking blown away. I think, like like you, that I was not expecting the rest of the song to sound like that based on the chorus that we had heard. Absolutely. Yeah, those, my gosh, those, those opening notes of Ash's bass. Like I screamed. I like audibly, like gasped. I couldn't believe it. I was not expecting that. You like a bit of bass, don't you? Oh, I love, I love a good bass. I love it. It's all about the bass. No trouble. I played the bass drum in the marching band. I don't know from bass guitars. My daughter's embarrassed by me because I just told her yesterday.

26:33 I didn't know until recently that there was like even more than one kind of guitar. I thought electric guitar is electric guitar. She's like, what? I don't know that I played the drums. And we didn't have Pablo bars. That's that's funny. Pablo plays bass, and, you know, when I was little, it's really weird. Like I always thought it'd be cool to be a bass player. But anyway, I digress. Yes, I love that about Lovejoy, how they're how Ash's bass is so prominent a lot of their songs. And pay and display is no exception. And can we talk about Will's voice in that song? No, it is. Yeah, Well, we're gonna anyway, so you're just gonna have to, you know, you could talk about the actual discussion.

27:13 We can talk about Will's voice. Yeah, yeah. We could talk about Ash's skin care routine. We can talk about Will's voice. OK, fair enough. Yeah, I say he found his sweet spot in his voice is how I like to sort of put it. I do know a little bit a little bit about singing and I just feel like it sounds like his He found his comfortable range, his comfy. I'm sure it's like even more enjoyable for him to sing these songs than trying to hit high notes and things like that. I think it's it's just perfect for him, a perfect fit. And it's more complex, the music and his voice and just, yeah, that bridge. So he's been working hard for sure. And he sounds confident.

27:55 He sounds like he's comfortable and confident. Having fun with it, yeah. It's truly a quality song. I mean the the producers, etcetera, mixers, whoever, the backroom boys. Brilliant job. All the layering of the sounds. Absolutely. It's really complex. I mean, take a listen to are you all right? And then listen to this. And not that I don't like are you all right? Because that's fantastic for what it is. But the but the progression and the growth that these guys have gone through and just, I mean, really, when you think about it, it's a short amount of time is is mind blowing. Really. Yeah.

28:35 I absolutely agree. I mean, we're older than some of the younger fans and they're like, oh, I really don't like this change. And there's been a few of them. And I'm thinking, well, all the bands do it, you know? But yeah, yeah. But no, you're right, Dave. Every band goes through growth and change. It's just the, it's just the way it is. If they stayed the same forever, then I mean. You know, yeah. And at the end of the day, they are artists and this is a craft and a creative process. And it's great to see, you know, that they're so proud and they've really worked so hard crafting this. And that's the. If they had one ounce of insecurity about it, that would be sad.

29:20 But it seems like, know it. They're all super hyped. They're all on the same page and not super scared because they know they've produced a quality product that they all, at the end of the day, are very happy and pleased with. I really like Joe's Instagram story from Yeah. Was it Friday? Maybe Saturday? It was. It was just really sweet. It was about, you know how basically that I love this song so much. I'm so glad to be able to share it with you guys. I hope you like it blah blah blah. And he's so. Very. It was very cute. Joe's usually pretty. Quiet, I screenshot that I found it. Love this tune of ours so much and I'm so proud of the boys. It means so much every time we put a track into the world and just hope it's a big enough tune for you guys. Yeah, I love that.

30:09 That they succeeded. They more than you know, they succeeded and went above and beyond expectations even. Yeah. Just by skimming through the Reddit, I think the general consensus is that people really liked it. Just just looking at some of the the comments and the replies, I liked the one somebody put pay and display for president and like, OK, all right. But yeah, real positive response I think from what I've seen. Yes. And it's not that no one, it's not that people disliked Rob, but when you compare the two, this one's just like knocks out of the ballpark.

30:51 But they are two different songs. It's like having slow song on an album and then a fast song. I listen to them both. On two yeah, I have normal people, things sober, pain display and Rob just in a playlist. So effectively, let's call it all their new stuff. Right. Listening just to all four, how they've grown from Pebble Brain and all four songs go together. There's a reason, too, for them releasing songs in the order that they release them. You know, there's a strategy. So you know, they had, they had a certain something in mind when they put out Rob, whatever it is. I mean, who knows, but that's what they wanted to do at the time.

31:38 So. Yeah, everybody's going to go wild because it's going to be the first song off the album. Yeah. Doesn't matter what song it is, everybody's going to go wild. That starts the hype. Right. It does, and I always feel like with albums, especially with younger bands, that first album, they rarely just come right out of the gate with their barnstormer, quote UN quote Best Song on the album. You have to kind of build up, I think to that a little bit. It's exactly what they've done. Absolutely, yeah. And I think it's interesting that and this kind of goes into the music video now, is that the music video for Pain Display seems to be a prequel to Rob. So it kind of reminds me of the Star Wars movies, how they put them out of order.

32:27 Oh, yeah. So yeah, maybe that's why like the the dynamics of the Rob video really pull you in. And then now it makes sense to tell us how we got there by showing us this music video in this order, in this way. And then right at the end of the music video, it goes into Rob. What does that make you want to do? Watch the next. Video. Right, genius. It is how does it? Fit in, Let me watch them both. When you see that list of credits everyone involved in the making of these music videos, it's a humongous effort and team and it's just so thoughtful and and so well done. Makes me really want to petition MTV to play music videos again because it they need to be out there more than just online. I know more people are online than on TV. But yeah, I think we need to bring that back. They have the Video Music Awards, but they don't show music videos.

33:31 So that's my little speech on that. But yeah, let's talk about the music video for Pain Display. What do y'all think about it? And the creepy creepy will factor. There is a lot going on there, isn't there? There's a lot to unpack. I will say the meet guy is super creepy. I love how they have the anvil in there right at what is it about like a minute 15 or whatever in in one of the elevators you can see the anvil kind of going sideways. Well, that's pretty cool. We love an Easter egg. Yes, yes we do. Yes, we do. Yeah, it was in the symbolism, and we didn't even get to talking about the lyrics. The symbolism in the lyrics and then how it was portrayed, how some of it was portrayed in the music video. The elevator dropping down, everything turning red, going to hell.

34:20 In theory, the cellar which he's walking around in and rob the basement. Yeah, I liked the way we had 42 in there. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Yeah, yeah. Hitchhiker's guide. Yeah, yeah, he mentioned that on a stream. That's right. Yeah, just little things, same posters in the different videos, silly things like that. You really got to look at background detail. Think I need to rewatch and watch them in the order now, the correct order. Yes, yes, I started thinking about the lyrics yesterday and what it meant and I feel like it's, it's a little dark.

35:07 I, I don't know, I don't know what you guys think, but I feel like it's like it's maybe the darkest that Lovejoy has gone almost. And behind his death box, yeah. Right. And we haven't even gotten to Fatal and Death Box yet. But yeah, just then. I don't know how far I want to go into this here, but just with, with some of the lyrics, you know? Weren't thinking the same thing, but what else? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But and then I know we had a discussion kind of off pod about the whole tithing of my sleeve phrase which was shows interesting. What do you guys think that means? I think with the help of some snooping around Google and like getting ideas. So for those that aren't churchy people, a tithing is a portion of your your income that you give to the church. It's I think that's typically what it is. I just know it as when you go to church, they pass around a tray, they hold around a tray and you drop in a couple bucks. Yeah, that's, that's more of an updated version if you go back to medieval times when it was a thing. So if you owned an orchard, you gave 10% of your apples to the church, you gave 10% of everything you earned or produced.

36:24 I know, you know, we were talking about recently I visited A tithe barn and of course it was mentioned, you know, we were speaking about it and it was like, so I went back into it all and it all. So they would store those apples in a tithe barn. So it was. It is a form of taxation. Right, basically. So I think when he says the blessed always get their way on a subscription basis, they pay for salvation. So it's like that going to church every Sunday, paying the tithing, they're paying their way to get into heaven. And it's like imagine going to heaven and you show your ticket.

37:08 I've subscribed, I've been paying every week, there's my ticket to heaven. And when he says I have a tightening up my sleeve, at first I thought that meant like he was like holding it back and not actually giving it in. Yeah. Then yeah, then I thought. In the system not paying his taxes. But then I thought as I delved in further to what he the words he used, An ace up your sleeve is sort of like a trick, right? So one simple trick, you have it up your sleeve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's all ties in and I guess he's saying he has the way. Maybe it's not necessarily that literal.

37:52 It's just a clever way to get the one simple trick in there, I think, and to play on the whole ace up your sleeve, tithing up your sleeve, and that that he's going to hell because he didn't participate in the subscription plan for salvation like the blessed dude. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Or, you know, like you said with the tithing, maybe he thinks that's, you know, if, if he gives his 10% to the church or whatever, well, you know, that's, that's one way that I can buy my ticket. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But like he knows the way, but he's not doing the way. And then he says I had their pills last week or something like that. I was thinking, is that communion? I was thinking maybe someone got him to go to church. Then he had communion.

38:40 There's so much to unpack in this song. I I think we could sit here and talk about this forever. Someone on the Reddit had a theory that when Wilbur says, and I believe it was on the Reddit, correct me if I'm wrong, if I read this in a different spot, that when Wilbur says or Will says, darling, he's talking to himself. And I was like, yeah, sorry for the microphone blow out there. Yeah. He's like talking to his inner self, like talking to himself. So I feel like when he's saying, darling, get my gun, something about this is our way out of town. I think it's not necessarily autobiographical, right? Sometimes we assume the edit is that these lyrics are, but that's might not be the case.

39:24 But I think when he's saying that's it's the ticket to get us out of town. Your indecision is the only thing weighing us down. Like the thing hold like the person is contemplating. This is my theory. The person is contemplating suicide with a gun, and the only thing holding them back is their indecision. They can't fully commit to going there and just doing it. And that's what's weighing them down and trying to talk himself into doing such an awful thing as opposed to trying to talk himself out of doing the thing. It's dark and it's deep and it's heavy. And he went there with the words. And we don't know. This could be an imaginary person so.

40:07 We never want to think it's these are autobiographical, as I said, but I think that's my that's a theory I've I'm on and I thought I'd just put it out there and I think you were sort of going there to Angie that that sort of idea. I agree 100%. Yeah, he's having this internal struggle. This character is having this internal struggle with himself. Do I take my own life? Do I not take my own life? They're trying to. It almost sounds like they're trying to talk to themself into it, you know, saying that they can't afford to be scared. Right. It's, it's a simple thought, Just trust your intuition, you know, don't think about it, just do it. It's absolutely.

40:49 That's completely what I think it's about to. And maybe that's like when he's in the elevator and all this is going on around him, he has that blank face. And maybe that's just like the blank face of depression where you're all in your own head despite everything else happening around you. You're just in your head. And this conversation is what's going on in his head at that time. Like, you don't want to be in this town anymore. This is your way out of the out of it. Just, you know, do it. Don't be scared. No, don't be scared. I think it's interesting. Go ahead, Dave. OK, I'm not going to lie, I've not looked deep into the lyrics, but just listen to what you, you know, you've both been saying.

41:35 It does make perfect sense. You're talking about the video. You've got all this noise around you and he's falling, falling, falling. But at the end of the day, the door roams and he walks out. Has he combated the voices in his head? Do you see what I'm saying? The demons, yeah. Absolutely. And then it makes you wonder too, what the dwelling is supposed to be instead of metaphor. Always interpret it right. But that, yeah, like that whole apartment building, I feel like it's a metaphor for something, especially when he like, you know, and when at the end of Rob, when he like literally goes off the deep end into the sea. Like is like that his is that his mind?

42:18 Is he, is he falling off the deep end figuratively? I don't know, But then you know, he falls off there, but he's blue. Does that lead into the next single or potential single which is perfect blue? Well, and remember, Mark had that Instagram story or picture of him. It looked like he got into a fight with the with the Q chalk at a pool table. He was covered in that blue, you know, the chalky stuff that you put on the end of AQ stick. That's right. Yeah. And he said something like I got in a fight with Papa Smurf or whatnot. That's. Right. Interesting. Who knows? But you know, everything that I've listened to you to say is kind of makes perfect sense. And I'm sure if we spoke to another person, they may have a slightly different opinion.

43:06 But I think what we sort of spoke about Rob and things like this, I think it is about his struggles. Yeah, absolutely. And I also noticed this is a little adjacent I would think when he said Lovejoy adjacent. I just get that word in my head now. Non sequitur, I suppose, is the video clip that Lovejoy posted with the pay and display song snippet of Joe trying to pull Will out of the car. But that wasn't in this music video, so I wonder what that's from. There's a lot of a lot of bands are doing it now they're they're bringing out rubbish Tik Toks. Oh, so you think that they're finding a TikTok? Remember they're finding a Tik trying to find a TikTok. Maybe they just filmed that just for that and it's not really anything.

43:55 Yeah, they're bringing out because, yeah, that's good. It's got us talking about it. See. Yeah. Right, so do you know what I mean? You know what you mean. But a lot of bands are promoting stuff with a rubbish TikTok because it's different. It's funny. It's. That's why they were looking for a TikTok. They're probably walking around like, what can we make into a TikTok? How about us writing for a TikTok? Yeah, for you guys that don't know what the hell we're talking about, go on their Tiktok and I think these. Videos appear there, or perhaps their Instagram reels. Yeah, you guys listening? If you've got any other theories on what pay and display means, let us know.

44:38 Write us, e-mail us, whatever. I'm super interested to hear what everybody thinks of this. Yeah, absolutely. I haven't like to say I really haven't looked deep into it. I'm I've really been enjoying it, to be quite honest with you. I've I've been working further away from home. It bugs in whatever you headphones in. Just been enjoying it on repeat and I'm really liking it. I'm really liking both songs. Me too and we had the fact that we have like 11 more so freaking on me. Like we are spoiled. We are getting spoiled. Imagine, you know, like a year ago.

45:18 We didn't know we'd ever be here. This is so remarkable. We didn't even know if there was a lot we didn't know. Well, to be fair, you know, when I mentioned about starting the pod, we didn't really know where it was going to go, did we? No, we could have been just talking. We were planning on talking about old things mostly. Yeah, going back and then there was word of a new album and then things were like, OK, we've sort of started this at the right sort of time then. Yeah, it's very true. That's right. It all just kind of fell together, didn't it? I forgot about that. Let's. Move into how we can support the new single.

46:01 What are some of the tips and tricks? I know Angie, you've written so many documents with information on all these things. Maybe you can enlighten the. Crowd Yeah, You know, I honestly just posted this on the Reddit last night too, and I know that you've been a huge champion of this. Leslie is contacting Alt Nation. Alt Nation does what is it like a like a top 18 most requested? They're from down on Sirius. XM and they want to hear from you they. They're never show without you calling, without you giving them a voice memo. Yes, yes. So they want your voice memos. So what you do is is you record a voice memo on your phone.

46:43 Super easy. All you have to say is, you know. Hi, my name is Angie. I'd like to hear pay and display, but I Lovejoy, thank you. And then you just attach that to an e-mail and I probably could rattle off their e-mail address right now. Leslie, do you know what else the top of your head? I bet you do. Altnation@siriusxm.com Easy peasy. And you send them that and yeah, it's easy as that. And of course I mean streaming. I know I've got my little echo pop upstairs just working overtime. It's probably got, you know, starting to smoke with all of the all of the work it's been doing streaming. So I. I know we're neck and neck on the leaderboard. Are we?

47:26 Yeah. You sure are, and I'm pretty sure you posted a really great playlist, right? You put a playlist together. I made a playlist called Pay and display all day and it's heavily soaked in pay and display and some chunks of Rob and then in between is their usual catalog of bangers. Nice. So yeah, go check that out. If you're on Spotify, download a playlist and and get going on that. Another good way is to just buy the single. I I mean, it's what it's, it's like around a dollar usually give or. Take, I mean, or a dollar, maybe $2.00. Tops.

48:11 Yeah. And that helps them out hugely, yeah. I honestly thought, I thought I must because I was, I don't have Apple or iTunes or anything like that, but I was trying to look at iTunes charts and I thought, Oh yeah, they're selling it $0.99. Nice. And I thought I must buy it. I must buy both because I can listen to it 100 times and they might not even get 3 pence from that. I know. But they might get £0.50 per song. Yep, you have to download it, right Angie? Isn't it the thing like buy it and download it is like the important step.

48:53 Some people might forget that part because there's take for granted that you can. Stream it. Yep, Yep. Download it. Download it. And you're right, Dave. It's so much more impactful if you buy it versus streaming it. And if you're on Spotify, if you know somebody that has Spotify Premium maybe and you don't, you know what? Go ahead and go ahead and have them download it because if you download it on Spotify Premium, there's a lot more weight placed on it than if you would download it on the free version of Spotify too. So something else to think about. But honestly, really just stream it, add it to your playlists, you know, share it in social media and tell your friends, tell you, tell your dog, tell your tell, tell your next door neighbor what?

49:38 Whatever, just your brother. Tell them to see the voice memo in I. I put some links to buy the album, the album, You actually pre-order the album now too, so you could pre-order the album and buy the song and the album's inexpensive as well. I put some links up on our blog on our website, lvjynation.com, so that might be helpful. Nice VIP and general admission ticket availability for the tour. There's about, what is it, 6 or so shows coming up for the United States and Canada. Angie, I know you've been looking into the availability of tickets. What has it been like generally?

50:19 Yeah, I've been geeking out and checking every once in a while on Ticketmaster and Access and whatnot just to see what's out there. VIP is going quickly. It's I would say at least half of the VIP tickets for shows are sold out or I guess disclaimer appear to be sold out. I'm not able to find them on the ticketing website or buy them. So you know what that's great news for them. And there there are a few shows. Washington DC is completely sold out. There are no general admission tickets available at all. The last I saw Boston had a low ticket alert and there was another one too.

51:02 Man, I can't remember off the top of my head. There was another city that had added while supplies last there. Yeah, I'll have to look. I'll have to check that out. I had notes and they disappeared. So but they are going, they're going fast. So again, if you're on the fence, grab them if you can. And I've noticed on the Reddit there's been a lot of talk about VIP tickets, maybe people that didn't score them right away the first time around and are looking to buy some via resale and what not. So there's been a lot of questions about that. Basically most of the time you're not unfortunately able to buy AVIP ticket via resale just because for whatever reason the ticket will transfer to you, but the VIP perks that are part of the package does not transfer.

52:01 This is per Ticketmaster. I had some questions actually when we were buying tickets, so I called them and talked to them with quite a while just to make sure that I understood it correctly. And that's the deal. So you can buy VIP tickets on resale, but they will not actually be VIP tickets. General admission. You will get a general admission ticket. And I called as well, so I got the exact same answer so. OK, OK, good. I mean, I, I think, I think the only way that it could, could work, and I mean, we're doing this too. We've got some friends that are going with us is if you know, your friend has an extra ticket and you buy it from them, your friend is able to be there physically with you at the show. Your friend can pick up your VIP perks. I mean, whatever they give you as far as the lanyard or wristband to get into the meet and greet and the early entry. And then you're, you know, your little goodies, your anvil card packs and whatnot.

53:00 But other than that, I don't think there is a good really way to be able to do that. Now again, you will definitely want to contact the venue and or the the ticketer that you bought it from Ticketmaster or what not. Just to make sure, just to make sure that you know what what I'm saying is what they're also telling you. But be careful if someone wants to sell you the VIP tickets because chances are that you unfortunately we'll not actually get the whole VIP package with that and it'll just be a G8 ticket. And I don't want anybody to get scammed or end up sad or disappointed. So just something to keep in mind.

53:41 So basically what you're saying is if I bought your spare ticket, Angie, I would have to come in with you to be able to for you to get my perks. Would I still be out to go to the meet and greet? Yes, because. Right. I I would have to come with you basically. Right. Like we're bringing our daughters. Their name isn't on the ticket purchase, but they're part of our YEAH purchase. Yeah, and if Angie sold me her spare ticket for Vipi would have to meet her. Yeah, you have to come back to like her friend, like your.

54:23 You'd have to pretend that you like me. Now, I know that might be super hard, but you probably could do it if it meant meeting Lovejoy. So you could probably suck it up. Don't say anything. That's the safest pen. But yes, you would have to be there with that person and that person, that person is able to physically give you the VIP stuff and then it's yours. But as if. You bought a ticket for your friend or? Your daughter or whatever, right? But yeah, so that's the deal with that. So VIP quick one, let's just say you get 2 carrier bags full of goodies, right?

55:07 And you open your Anvil card pack and you get a super rare. And I'm talking a super rare. If indeed that's the case and your daughter owns their pack and they've got three, however many is in a pack, let's call it 5, they've got 5 Commons. Are you going to hand over your super red? Well, for me it wouldn't be an issue. See, we we get the anvil cards, but then I'm nice and let Pebble keep them in a in a little case on her wall. So we both just kind of assume that they're. Both collect them. Shared property. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're they're our collection.

55:48 She displays them and if I want to look at them I just pay but he displays. Get it? Pay display. No kidding. No kidding. I don't know, Dave, what would you do? Would you? Would you fight your kid for that? Super rid. He probably would. I'm Skippy. I would. That's mine. Who bought your ticket? Therefore it's mine. I'm super interested to see what kind of cards are in these packs. Are we going to get some of the old ones? Are we gonna see some new ones there? There were a couple that never really saw the light of day. The Joe Goldsmith. It was kind of a sketch of him. And then there was the flaming raccoon skull. I think it was flying, flying over the normal people things house maybe, if I remember correctly.

56:33 So I'm wondering if if those are going to be in there. I guess we just have to wait and see, huh? I was kind of thinking everybody get the same 5 cards but maybe I'm being. If, if there's a way of monetizing them, it's going to be like your football cards, your Star Wars. Oh, so that should be mixed. Up so in theory they should be mixed up because I I can't wait to have the swap seats with you. Got got, got. Got need need got need got. We might as well go to Brighton to do that, you know? Absolutely, yeah. I think it really needs to be done in person. When you said get to travel and not us. When you said, Dave, if I opened my pack and got a super rare card, I thought you were going to say and you're going to give it to me, right? Me too.

57:20 I thought you were going to say that that's where you're headed. No. No. I went in for one of your competitions for a super rare one. Did I win it? No. So therefore no. And I don't know, I think I need to like wallpaper my wall with signed Lovejoy posters. You'll have a good start. You'll have a good start. Rubbing it in. And I know this sounds weird because it is a meet and greet, but I wonder since they're offering the since they're giving the autographed posters, are they going to actually sign stuff? I mean, you would think that they would, right? But you but but they might not.

58:04 Let's be real here, in the queue for James Marriott to have your CD signed meet and greet. I was expecting 2 hours and 4 1/2 hours. So have they got 4 1/2 hours? No, no. I we all see it on Reddit on wonder how many things they can sign for me. I know they. Want to give them presents and all this. I think, yeah, I think you'll, you'll get to say hello. You'll get to have a little brief chat. Here's your goodie bag. Here's your photo. Yeah. Yep, off your truck. Otherwise, they're going to be there all day. They will, yes.

58:48 That's and the drone factor. I know they're worried about getting sick on tour, Yeah. Yeah, well, let's face it, right? I'd go through. I'd say hello blah blah blah chat to Ash. Ask me. To would be 4 hours each. After I pick myself up off the floor. We like to talk, what can we say? But no, I the first thing I thought of when I saw that they were having the sign poster in that pack is that they probably won't be signing. And I don't blame them. It's a time thing they want to make. Sure that they can get. Through to everybody. If there's 150 tickets and they've got an hour and a half and it's late at night here, I'm not doing the math, but it's X amount of time per person. Do you know what I mean?

59:37 And. Absolutely. They have to see every single person because they've paid for the ticket. Now if you're in front of me and talk for quarter of an hour, no, It's right though. If you're in front of me, yeah. Yeah, if you're in front of me and you talk for quarter of an hour and then somebody whispers in their ear, you got to speed things up. Yeah. And I get 15 seconds of hello, nice to meet you, goodbye. I'm going to be cheesed off for. Sure. I just, I think it's going to be a lot more structured than maybe people are thinking because it has to be. Yeah. And as far as photos, is there going to, I mean. I've seen. I honestly believe that a photo will be a turn around. That's it.

1:00:25 Do you know what I mean? You don't. Think someone will be there to take the picture perhaps? They might be we. Got book signing? There usually is someone that takes your phone and takes the picture. Yeah, there may well be a member of. He doesn't want to touch everybody's phone. No, it might be real similar to the setup a couple years ago at at Writing in Leeds. They did that photo booth thing where they are all in there. It was one shot and that was it. So, yeah, maybe that's what they'll do, but they definitely have to be cognizant of their time. So I, I hope people will will, you know, understand, understand that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:06 That's why you got to buy VIP packages for more than one city. Right, right, so you can. Continue your conversation Day 2, God. Very good. There's your gift bag. Get out. Man, there she is, pink hair and all. Well, yeah, I think it takes us to the end of this episode. It's been fun. It's been a blast anyway. All right, chickens, until next time, give us drop us your comments. Tell us what you think are the meanings of the music video and the songs. What do you think will be the next single? Yeah, interesting. And leave comments where you listen because they're, it's, I don't know, it's fun to see it on the Spotify or Apple or, you know, you can leave reviews or comments on our website aswelllvjynation.com.

1:01:58 And we'll see you online and we'll be doing more lives because we've discovered how much fun they are. Yeah. We're looking into that deep dive into that. And I know I came on for about four or five minutes, had a bit of a stressful evening, otherwise I might have been on earlier. But yeah, we'll get things planned. Maybe in between release of that we can do a live. Yeah, good. To me. That'd be fantastic. I love talking with everybody on the lives. It's so cool. Thanks to everybody that showed up. Yep, and Tyler for popping on. Yeah, I love Tyler. Tyler is just the. Hair dryer on wheels day.

1:02:39 That's a good one. Anywho, till. Thanks for listening. I'm gonna love you and leave you. All right, till next time, gang. Thanks for listening, and we'll catch you around next time. See. You guys.