11. Dave Dishes on Secret Album Gig & In-Depth Music Video Analysis

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Hello and welcome to the Lovejoy
Nation Podcast.

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It's episode 11 and we're back
again very quickly because

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there's a lot going on this
month.

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Let's start with what we've been
up to since we last spoke.

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Angie, what have you been up to?
Hey guys.

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Well, you know, I was just in
Chicago a few days ago to see

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James Marriott and he puts on
one hell of a show.

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The dude is just super talented.
He's a great singer, he's a

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great frontman and we had an
absolutely awesome time.

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So it, it was very fun.
Very, very fun.

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If you ever have the chance, go
see him.

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He's wonderful.
We even got to see you in some

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official James Marriott social
media pics and videos.

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Yeah, yeah, I was in there a
little bit and then and then the

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kiddos that I had with me were
in there much more.

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So that was pretty cool.
They were quite excited.

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That was very cool to see.
It was cool to see it on my own

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without even showing it to me
too.

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You didn't stay at the same
hotel this time?

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No, no.
We did not and that was a good

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thing because like I said last
time, I felt so awful because we

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kept bumping into them and I
felt like a stalker even though

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we weren't obviously stalking
them.

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I actually apologize last time.
Like I promise we're not

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stalking you, we're just camping
out.

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We're in the room next door.
Yeah.

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I mean, we literally were in the
room next door.

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So yeah, yeah, I think they got
it.

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But yeah.
And the guy I thought was in a

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drive by last time he was there,
apparently he's one of their

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manners.
So yeah.

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But yeah, we talked to him for a
little bit.

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Super, super nice guy.
So yes, we had a very good time.

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Very cool.
Good and I didn't go to any

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shows, but I spent money on
tickets for some for let's say

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Ed Sheeran.
Some of you may be fans of He's

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My Daughter.
Looked it up.

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He's number six on the Spotify
artists, like #6 out of all the

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artists on Spotify, pretty cool.
And I'm also going to a taping

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on Monday that's like sort of a
mystery.

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So I'll have to tell you more
about that later.

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If you want to hear about it.
You might just have to cool.

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I'm just waiting for my E ticket
to arrive in my e-mail.

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But I'm all confirmed.
So that's it's cool.

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It's it's convenient to live
next to New York City because

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these fun things happen now and
then.

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So is it like this top secret
thing where you don't know

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exactly what's going on?
I don't even know where it is

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yet.
Oh wow.

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Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Just.

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I just know it's in New York
City and it's an intimate

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recording for some global
something or other and not

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supposed to wear logos on our
shirts.

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And yeah, and I think they're
going to lock up our phones, so

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I won't be able to take some
pictures, but we'll see.

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Well, I can't wait to hear
about.

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That I'm psyched.
I'm very excited picking up my

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outfit and all that.
It's fun.

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I have to make sure my hair is
extra pink because the album is

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very pink so.
Oh for sure, you got to match

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your hair to the album, I mean.
Of course you do worse.

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Why Dave?
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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So I'm matching with the chair
at the moment, but yeah.

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Very nice.
And I think, Dave, you have some

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gig stories or news or something
to tell us as well.

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No, not really.
I haven't been up to much at

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all.
Just went to some little gig on

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Wednesday night.
Tiny little, tiny little.

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Oh yeah, I'm just like, in a pub
or something, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
O2 in Islington, but other than

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that it was nothing special at
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Should we just carry on with the
show?

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No.
No, no, no, no.

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We're.
We're not.

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We want to hear more, yeah.
You want to hear more?

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What?
What do you want to hear?

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I went to a little gig.
That was it.

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First of all, before we go any
further, thank you so much for

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your help in getting us tickets
because if it wasn't for you to,

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I wouldn't have gone.
So thank you from me and my

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daughter.
Oh, you're very welcome.

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Thank you very much.
So anyway, yeah, we went up to

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the O2 in Islington, London
Wednesday night.

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What a great show, What a
fantastic show.

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Got there around six, queued up,
had a chat with a load of the

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crowd, met a few people from
Reddit and stuff like that.

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Few people you know and all
that.

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Which was fun.
How, how many people were there

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when you got there?
And you got there an hour before

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doors open.
It's hard to judge because

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obviously the capacity was 250.
Now there was a lot of invited

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guests, so it's hard to judge.
So if I loosely say there was

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200 fans and 50 guests, you know
what I mean?

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I was just wondering like the
queue, like was there a long

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line when by the time you go
there, I mean at a minute,

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there's only 200 about?
I would say we were probably

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around hundredths in the queue.
OK.

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And I think some some people did
the old school, you know,

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showing up at 10 AM kind of
thing.

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Why?
I don't know.

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And I, it was interesting when
you sent me the, the pictures or

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the video because the queue is
indoors, like I'm not used to

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that luxury.
No.

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Indoor queue, yeah.
Absolutely.

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Can you imagine?
It's like sitting in a mall.

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Who cares?
Why not be there at 10 AM?

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I don't know what you do.
You just sort of sit there and.

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Yeah, Uno have snacks.
Talk like bracelets.

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You make bracelets and you.
Yeah.

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But yeah, so he's.
Like, yeah, whatever.

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I could never do that.
Six hours, 7 hours wait and no

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sound asleep.
If the three of us ever go to a

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show together, Dave, you're
going to queue early with us.

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You don't have.
No, no, no, no, no.

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I don't mind queuing early, but
you'll be saving my place

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because I'll be going off
walking.

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Around.
Oh, no, no, OK, no, I don't

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think so.
Nope.

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You're.
Going to see all of this.

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Yeah, no, you can't do that.
Well, you best bring a sleeping

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bag because I'm sleeping for
five hours.

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You've slept on concrete before
you could sleep.

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Like I.
Forgot to do it again.

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Right, right.
So got there about 6:00, chatted

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to a few people in the queue,
gave out.

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I had about 18 Nuggets with me,
gave out about 15.

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There was a yeah, it was quite
fun because we had a little sort

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of game going where there was
AII gave a couple to the girls

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in front of me and they were
like, these are really, really

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cool.
And I'm like, OK, so who am I

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giving them to next?
And they were picking people who

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they thought that's.
Cute.

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And then I gave some to the next
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and then it was her turn to
choose so.

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And then I was speaking to Yeah,
it was who should we give them

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to?
You know what I mean?

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That's fine.
And they were given some out and

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stuff.
I was amazed just talking to

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people in the queue how far they
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Where are some people come from
that were super far?

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So bearing in mind the gig was
London, I'd come up from

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Southampton, we had people from
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We had people from, what do I
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It was somewhere up north again.
But the other side of sort of

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England, Cardiff, the one that
amazed me was Hungary.

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I had.
To fly there.

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They started off at 2:00 AM to
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Oh wow, wow.
From Hungary.

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That's cool.
That's dedication, man.

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We know people come up from
Brighton, we know you know what

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I mean, But for me it was true.
I was like, wow, Hungary, all

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across England and Wales,
Scotland, people came to London.

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That's so cool.
And just for this gig.

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Love it.
I I was really, really

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impressed.
It looked like the gig was sort

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of like how they started out in
small pubs sorts of places to

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have that feeling, that vibe.
Absolutely, I love going to a

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gig when it's a small venue.
I recently saw Youngblood at 600

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venue.
Nice.

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Wow.
I love that intimacy because you

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you, it feels much more
personal.

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It really, really does.
Sure.

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And that's how it felt.
It was a very small venue and it

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really felt personal.
I was just going to say I like

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what Wilbur said about as far as
keep let's keep it between us at

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the start of the show.
I saw like a little clip of

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that.
Yeah, I was positioned to the

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right of the stage and pretty
much anywhere you could get a

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view and add a bit of space
behind me.

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And if I kind of looked to my
right, you could see the stage

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door.
So Mark come out, fiddled around

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with his drums and the door kept
opening and closing.

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Dave was running around, the
manager, Buster was running

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around.
The door was opening and

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closing.
And.

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And then my daughter said wait
for the door to open.

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You can see Ash, the door and
you can see.

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Yeah, OK.
Anyway, they all came out.

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Hello.
We're Lovejoy.

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And he basically gave a spill of
how chuffed he was to present

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this to us.
And basically, if you want to

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film it, film it, but please
don't share it.

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Let's keep it a secret.
Yeah, that was cool.

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Like, keep it between us.
He goes, yeah, yeah, do it

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sneakily.
So I don't see it.

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Yeah, or I'll come to your
house.

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Did he actually say that?
He's.

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Out, he actually said.
I'll come to your house.

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And some of these kids are like,
OK, I'm here, I'm filming.

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Look.
Yeah, and all I can think of is

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lasses of Mohicans.
I will find you.

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So OK, I know this is a few days
on but I'm I'm pretty chuffed

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that 99% of people have, let's
just say shared with friends.

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Or if they have shared, they're
only sharing released songs.

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I haven't seen anyone sharing.
Yeah, I have to unknown.

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These songs, because I film
stuff, you've all seen it, but I

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didn't film everything because I
wanted to enjoy the gig too.

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Yeah, yeah.
And that's how it should be.

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Yeah, absolutely.
And I know we had a chat

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beforehand and sort of loosely
said you folks didn't really

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want to see the new stuff
because you want to listen to

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it.
And I know I sent a couple of

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snippets across and I think
there was one or two of the new

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ones, but I wanted to enjoy the
gig as well.

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What a gig.
It was really, really, really

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good.
It really was good.

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Nice.
So do you have any?

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What are your top memorable
moments from the show?

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There must be a few a few things
that stood out from the night.

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You tell us about those.
I'm stood there filming away and

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I'm aware somebody was stood
behind me.

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So I stopped recording and I
looked behind me and it's Dave.

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The manager stood less than,
well, just over a foot behind

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me.
I thought, I'll blow it.

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So I turned around and said
hello.

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And he pointed his finger at me
and he went, you're the guy from

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the podcast.
And I thought, hold on a minute,

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he's recognized me.
So wild.

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And so I was, you know what I
mean, a little bit gobsmacked,

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but trying to play it cool.
But we had, we had a brief chat

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and he actually thanked, I'm
going to say us because he

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thanked us, but he thanked you.
2 keeping this community going

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over the past 18 months.
I can't tell you how much that

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means to have his
acknowledgement and his

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appreciation for it, because.
And that.

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We always wondered, you know?
Absolutely do.

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They notice, do they?
Do they like what we're doing?

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A special thing for me was he
recognized me not necessarily by

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name, but he knew I was the guy
from the podcast, right?

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Which is.
Enough so fool.

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And the other special thing is
that he said thank you to you 2.

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I'm going to say you 2.
He said us, but I'm going to say

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you 2 because you've got the
wiki Queen and the fandom queen.

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Do you know what I mean?
It's.

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That means so much.
I Yeah.

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Wow.
That's just.

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Been.
Over when you told me that.

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I know.
And do you know what that was

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during Perfect Blue?
I couldn't tell you for the life

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of me what Perfect Blue sounds
like.

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Totally missed it.
It was worth it, it sounds like

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because you mean our days or
weeks are I don't know.

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If you're saying to me, how did
you find perfect Blue couldn't

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tell you.
I heard the beginning and I

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heard the end.
That's it.

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But he shook my hands twice and
he's got soft skin as.

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Well, boy.
I hope we get a chance to to see

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him at the shows.
When we go.

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I'm here, he'll be hanging
around the VIP like the meet and

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greet park.
I would love to, I would love to

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chat with him briefly.
I think it'd be be great hear

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that, Dave.
I hope you're.

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Listening, we're not creepy.
It's a shame because obviously

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you are in a concert setting and
it's a brief chat and it's all

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leaning in into each other,
right?

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You all know.
What?

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It's so meaningful like those?
Yeah.

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Seconds of chat.
Absolutely.

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All of us.
Other special moments, the whole

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gig.
One of my favorite songs is

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Normal People Things.
I've never heard that live.

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My daughter looked at me, I
looked at my daughter, the phone

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went away.
That was it. 100% photos.

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Absolutely loved it.
There was technical.

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Issues during normal people
things.

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OK.
Again, couldn't tell you you.

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Just had the best time it sounds
like.

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Yeah, the two of.
You.

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That's really special too.
Absolutely, absolutely.

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It really the whole night and
because of where I stood, the

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toilets weren't too far away
and.

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You can go for Jimmy, Really.
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
They were empty.

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They were quiet.
It was absolutely fantastic.

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Nice.
Clean, clean.

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Perfect.
Recommend highly.

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Five stars.
Put that on your review.

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Yeah, right.
But I'm stood there and these

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people are walking by and I'm
thinking I know you, where have

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I seen you before?
I know you, the noisy out boys.

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And I'm gutted because I didn't
chat to him.

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I was so desperately wanted to
say thanks.

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Well done.
Girlfriends walked by, mums

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walked by.
Do you?

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Know what I mean, Benedict
Lovejoy?

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Yeah, Yovazo, he was there.
Misha, Misha.

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That's it.
Nice.

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So.
So cool to see everybody out

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there supporting them.
They were, they were pretty much

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all stood at the back.
They all had beers in their

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hands, do you know what I mean?
Whether it was a free bar, who

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knows, whatever.
But to see all wags and faff,

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wives and girlfriends, friends
and family, for those who don't

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understand, to see all of them
to support the boys.

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Absolutely brilliant.
I love that.

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And you know, Dave, I'm sure
that you may very well catch

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Noisiak at one of the UK gigs,
so you might run into them now,

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yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, I know it was Aaron's
birthday that night as well.

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Oh.
Yeah, it's fun because.

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It's a cool celebration.
Yeah, well, Will basically said

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that we all love to sing him
happy birthday, so that that was

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kind of a little fun part.
But we all started to sing and I

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looked around and I could see
him in the crowd sticking his

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fingers up at Will.
But we all basically sung happy

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Birthday.
And then they moved on.

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Yeah, yeah, they were just
teasing him.

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All the new songs, they all
sound great.

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I'm not going to go into too
much details.

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Can't tell you about Perfect
Blue.

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Missed it.
But all the new songs, they

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sound great, bearing in mind
I've only heard them once.

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Right, right.
Live, but it's different.

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They all sound fantastic.
What?

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I'm so safe.
What a thrill.

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What such a special show.
You know how, Ange, I said about

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being that little tiny acoustic
gig?

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How special that must be.
This is kind of that specialness

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as well.
Did it almost feel like you were

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at a party rather than a concert
because it was just so small and

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intimate?
If I'd had a couple of pints

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inside of me, absolutely.
If it had been closer to home,

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yeah, I might have had a couple
of jars.

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And yeah, it certainly felt that
you were sort of like a guest at

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this celebration.
Yeah, seeing all the family and

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friends there like that, that's
that's.

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So special, yeah, core memory
it.

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Really was.
It was.

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For sure, say.
Particularly where I'm stood and

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all these people are walking by
and I know you, I've seen your

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face before.
And now people were asking about

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merch, but there wasn't merch at
this.

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No, I think that was the first
words, the first thing I texted

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you both, wasn't it?
No merch.

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Because we walked in and my
daughter's like, where?

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Where are we going to go?
I'm like, go there, right?

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Stay there.
I'll look for the merch.

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Well, there is none.
You didn't have to walk

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anywhere.
You just turned around.

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Right.
So I was a little disappointed,

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I really was.
Might have been nice.

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I mean they could have charged
you £50 for AT shirt and I would

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have bought one there.
Was something, I guess it was

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because it was thrown together
kind of quickly.

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I saw that Wilbur was handing
out these little papers at the

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end.
It looked like.

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Yeah, I saw a picture where they
were on a on the stage.

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How would you describe it?
VHS.

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Cover.
Yeah, VHS cover.

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Be quite honest with you.
As soon as it finished, we liked

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it.
Yeah, you had to catch a train.

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Yeah, we had to be on that
train, otherwise it was a very

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expensive taxi ride.
So I didn't hang around for

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those.
I know some of the the groups of

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people that I was talking to
were like, we're staying behind.

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Fine.
But yeah, they look pretty

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awesome.
Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a shame there wasn't
200 of them to be given out.

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But Angie will have some
pictures on the wiki if we can

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find them.
I know we've seen a few, yes.

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I think I've got a few messages
in my in my inbox actually,

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people that have pictures, so I
will get them up there.

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They're very creative.
Props to whoever made them.

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I think it's noisy act because
one of them does feature

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something about.
Well, there's five stars with

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noisy act on it.
OK, maybe.

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Yeah, yeah, they're really cool.
Yeah, but there's some great

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tracks coming out.
Death Box was not played.

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Why?
I don't know.

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They're either saving it or.
I think they're saving it.

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Yeah, I think so too.
I already told you my head

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cannon.
My head cannon is that Death Box

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is like this total like heavy
metal song, and they wanted to

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save it so they could blow
everybody's socks off.

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I'm going to choose to believe
that, and nobody is going to

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tell me otherwise until I
actually hear it.

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Yeah, I so I'm going to beat the
Lulu.

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I so want Death Box to be normal
people things much much more

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rockier, yes, you know.
I have to ask, sorry.

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Go.
No go I.

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Have to ask about Monochrome
because I know a lot of people

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are psyched about that one
because it's a lengthier song.

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Did that stand out as like
special, unique, like a whoa

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kind of song?
I know again, you hear it live.

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It's.
Quite.

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It's quite the crescendo.
Interesting.

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I know you don't want to give
away.

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I know we don't want you to give
away.

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Similar to what you've heard?
Not music wise, it's totally

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different song.
But you know how we've sat there

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and gone, we've heard the chorus
and then the song comes out and

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it's like, oh, that's different.
So it's very, yeah.

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So it's very similar to what
we've heard with a crescendo.

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Oh.
OK, OK.

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Oh, and Speaking of crescendo,
the one thing I noticed was that

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usually they end their shows
with the fall because it's so

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powerful, and they ended with a
new song, Scoundrels this time.

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So I thought if they're ending
with that, then that must be

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like a pretty intense.
Yeah, yeah, so difficult because

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I've done.
How do you describe a song?

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Yeah, exactly.
But this morning, last night,

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I've I've listened to the videos
and it's a great, great song.

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You'd need to hear it.
I'm not going to give anything

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away, but you do need to hear.
It all right with that, thank

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you, Dave, for being our eyes
and ears at the gig and for

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telling us, filling us all in
and keeping us staring at our

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phones all night more than we
usually do.

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Well, I'd like to welcome to our
podcast Youssef Kadiri, old

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friend of mine from back in the
day.

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God, it was 20 years ago.
We worked at HBO with Youssef or

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as my mom used to call him,
Yahoo.

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Yeah.
Is.

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Thank you.
I'd say, is it rude to say

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armchair movie critic, movie
reviewer, because you've done

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this for so long website with
reviews and you and I think that

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was part of your gig at HBO.
Yes, yeah.

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I mean, armchair is perfectly
fine.

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I wasn't doing splits on the
tables, on the chairs, you know,

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at the the theaters.
But you know, yeah, You know,

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essentially what's taken over is
the Internet today with, you

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know, everybody having a
computer or phone and a voice.

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All of a sudden everybody thinks
they're a critic.

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They're really more reviewers
than anything else.

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I I'm actually a critic and a
reviewer.

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They're not, they're similar,
but they're not the same.

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You know, criticism is where we
break down the movies and, and

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look into the themes and, and,
you know, historical aspects and

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stuff.
But I mean, as a graduate of

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three film schools and now a
professor, adjunct, part time

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professor, you know, I like to
think that I don't want to say

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with the younger generations,
you know, because I'm a lot

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older, but I bring more that
history and understanding of how

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things work industry wise, as
well as in front of the camera,

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behind the camera and such.
And you know, that spreads into

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things like, you know, music
videos, like the notes.

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And basically it's a, it's still
a sacred, it's still a sacred

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thing for me.
Going to the movies, it's like

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going to church, you know, And
the sacraments for me are

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popcorn and, and my soda, you
know, and my Junior Mints on

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occasion, don't tell my doctor,
OK, but you know, my yes, Junior

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Mints.
But, you know, I take it very

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seriously and I'm I'm happy to
be here.

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I'm I'm glad to thank you.
Have you here.

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I thought that you might be able
to be a an interesting voice as

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someone that's probably never
heard the band Lovejoy and

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definitely hasn't seen any of
their music videos.

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And I thought since these three
music videos for with Rob as my

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witness pain display and common
touch that are meant to sort of

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be a trilogy, it would be
interesting to get your take as

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like a fresh eyes on it fresh
air.

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I've been a fan for exactly 4
days and, you know, now they're

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now, they're now on my Spotify
list.

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Yeah.
Listen, I I'm always on the

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lookout for, for, you know, new
music and stuff because I love

455
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,320
music.
I'm not a musician.

456
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,280
I mean, I can barely play the
triangle, you know, that's as

457
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,480
far as I go, you know, But I'm a
dancer and, you know, a hell of

458
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,160
a karaoke singer, by the way,
karaoke king in New Jersey back

459
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,760
in the 90s.
And, you know, but I have an ear

460
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,240
for the music, especially when
I'm editing, you know, I know

461
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,760
what I want to use and such.
And I I will say this much,

462
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,800
having delved into Lovejoy for
the past couple of days after

463
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,440
Leslie Aspen to join the
podcast.

464
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,760
I took a lot of notes and but
basically I got to say I'm very

465
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,040
impressed with what I've seen so
far.

466
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,320
So yeah, so I'm sure we'll get
into it.

467
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,920
But I did take my notes, so I'm
ready to rock'n'roll, no pun

468
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,400
intended, when you are.
All right, Ona, just so you

469
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,920
know, since they're on their
Spotify playlist, be on the

470
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,400
lookout for Friday, October 3rd,
the their official debut full

471
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,920
length album is being released.
Yes.

472
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,560
These three songs are from.
Yeah, No, listen, I'll be honest

473
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,080
with you as and, and, and I
confess ignorance.

474
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
And it's OK to confess ignorance
when you don't know something,

475
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,120
you know, like I don't know much
about childbirth because I never

476
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,400
did it, but I have an idea how
it works, you know?

477
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,160
But it's the same thing with
Lovejoy.

478
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,440
I I got myself immersed and
basically like when I when I

479
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,160
watch a movie or I do a review
or I'm running a script.

480
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Basically, I want to immerse
myself in method analysis and

481
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,160
research.
Wow.

482
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,080
So I got myself involved in in
reading up on this.

483
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,560
Nice.
And these guys are, I mean, they

484
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,480
are wonderful.
In fact, I'm jealous because

485
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,960
they're young and full of energy
like I used to be and like the

486
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840
old man shaking my fist at the
skies, cursing the gods.

487
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,240
But it's nice to see that the
young generations, you know,

488
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,960
have picked up the mantle of and
I, I referenced them as saying,

489
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,240
and I'm hope I'm not off base
here by saying basically a

490
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,200
modern, a mix of Green Day and
Electric 6.

491
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,280
And that's kind of how I get out
of it.

492
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,600
If I'm wrong, please let me
know.

493
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,880
I don't know Electric 6, but I
when trying to sell Lovejoy to

494
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,680
my best friend, I said you love
Green Day.

495
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,520
You'll like that.
You'll love these guys.

496
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,400
They're fun like that.
Electric 6 is a lot of fun.

497
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,160
I highly recommend them.
They've been around for about

498
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
2530 years.
Dave knows what.

499
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,880
What's the electric six song?
What's the big one I had?

500
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,040
One of them is a synthesizer,
another one is which one?

501
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,240
The firing at this.
So what's it called?

502
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,760
Oh, my God.
I'm on my phone.

503
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,600
High Voltage.
Thank you.

504
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,800
High Voltage is their big song
and the remake of Radio Gaga by

505
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,720
Queen.
Let me tell you something I

506
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,080
recommend.
These guys are out of town.

507
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,880
They are so funny and very
entertaining.

508
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,880
When I hear love, Yeah, they're
fantastic.

509
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,960
Electric 6-2 words.
When I hear Lovejoy, it evokes

510
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,520
that feeling of 2025 years ago,
almost 30 years ago.

511
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320
I mean, Green Day's back in the
I was, I was still in college

512
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,240
when Green Day came around.
And it evokes that, that feeling

513
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,280
of nostalgia because they
weren't grunge.

514
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:52,200
They are, I think what what
Wikipedia here and it calls they

515
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,840
call it indie pop.
I'm sorry, indie rock, pop punk

516
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,120
and pop punk I think is more
accurate because when I get

517
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,280
indie rock, I think of more
garage bands, you know, from the

518
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,920
thousands, you know, such.
But pop punk I like because it

519
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,360
really I can't say the Sex
Pistols, whether or not to Dave

520
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,720
and and and that heritage, but
they're not as dangerous as the

521
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Sex Pistols.
So.

522
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,040
For me, pop punk is an American
term.

523
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,160
They say.
Alternative like Green Days,

524
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,360
your do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, that sort of thing.

525
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Whereas obviously Pistols were
punk.

526
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Clash.

527
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Yeah, yeah.
And going back to the

528
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,280
reminiscent times of I, I loved
a band or I still do love a band

529
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,600
called The Wedding Present.
OK, and this is how Lovejoy kind

530
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,640
of affected me when I was 1718.
Fell in love with The Wedding

531
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Present and Lovejoy have done
the same thing again at 50 years

532
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240
old.
They still around, feel like

533
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,760
that again.
Yes, it was only Brooklyn, all

534
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,960
right.
Now look them up.

535
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,680
I'll look them up.
I like, I like your analysis on

536
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,440
their sound because for me
personally, I know a lot of

537
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,280
times they're, they are
described as indie rock, but to

538
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,800
me it does they don't feel like
indie rock.

539
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,480
To me, indie rock is something
different and it's not really

540
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,680
Lovejoy.
So I appreciate that you said

541
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,560
that.
I know that they, they actually

542
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,760
call themselves indie rock and a
lot of people classify them as

543
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120
indie rock, but to me it doesn't
feel like indie rock.

544
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520
I would agree with you that it
does feel more pop punk, even

545
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,000
though like Dave said, that's
probably more of a US term.

546
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Yeah, see, we we have a genre
and it's called indie jangle

547
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,640
pop.
Now, if you think about the

548
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,000
guitars, how they jangle, that's
where that's come from.

549
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,760
If you listen to the Wedding
Present, The Smiths were

550
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:06,440
supposed to be indie jangle pop.
So for me, Lovejoy a jangle.

551
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Because.
I see them as they say,

552
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,960
alternative a lot too.
They're actually on alternative

553
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,640
charts and alt Nation as well.
The.

554
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Alternative.
I see.

555
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,400
So it's.
Like this R.E.M.

556
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Is something like, I think it's
alternative, I don't know.

557
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,800
Yeah.
Well, when you mentioned, I'm

558
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,880
sure Dave, when you mentioned
The Smiths Morrissey, he is a

559
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,920
very talented singer and artist
and composer.

560
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,880
But as I understand it, and
correct me if I'm wrong, please,

561
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,960
that's that was, he was, they
were part of the British New

562
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Wave, the second, I mean, or the
British new wave, the second the

563
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,800
second British wave, British New
wave, much akin to let's say ABC

564
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200
and Ultravox, if I'm not
mistaken.

565
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,840
Yeah.
And I'm showing my age and I'm

566
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,440
showing my love for British New
Wave, you know, you know, these

567
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,840
other other groups that came up
around that time.

568
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Lovejoy evokes some of that,
although they got a very heavy

569
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
baseline from what I could tell.
And I got, I'm not an expert,

570
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,760
but they're very catchy and very
what is the word?

571
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,680
And Gentleman Wilbur, I think
his name is William.

572
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,680
His real name is so yeah,
Vocals, you know, And it's easy

573
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,800
to listen to, even for us old
timers.

574
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,400
I could sit there and enjoy it,
you know, because the

575
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,520
generations before us didn't
like our MTV music, you know,

576
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600
they wanted Frank Sinatra and
Johnny Mathis, you know, and

577
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,480
such.
But this generation, new group

578
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,120
here like Lovejoy, I really, I
can listen to them a lot because

579
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,200
they're very, very energetic and
very smooth.

580
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,600
I love what you just had.
See him dance yet?

581
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Somebody from YouTube, don't
worry.

582
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,080
So I I wish nothing for but the
best for Lovejoy because they

583
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,200
got the talent.
So the music videos came out out

584
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,080
of order.
The songs came out out of order.

585
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
But I think I told you the order
that they're intended to be

586
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,000
watched in, sort of like Star
Wars did to us, right?

587
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,360
Yes.
So I think we decided that

588
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,520
common touch is meant to be the
first, yes?

589
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,280
Of the three, that's what I have
in my name, am I right?

590
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,000
Steve and Angie, I always have
to check myself on that.

591
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,680
So is there any just takes you
had on watching that or

592
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,120
interpretations?
We like to talk about

593
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,280
interpretations, a lot of what
we think is going on in the

594
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,520
videos.
So, OK, so with common touch

595
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
again, very hip, very energetic.
I really enjoyed it.

596
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,120
They're my new favorite band
now.

597
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360
I pushed Tom Jones out of my
Spotify list and I lovejoy's in

598
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,280
there.
Sorry, Tom, but he's Welsh.

599
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040
It's OK, It's about time, right,
Right, exactly right.

600
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160
It's not unusual.
But that being said, with common

601
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,040
touch, the the video, all right,
So the song very catchy, very

602
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,520
entertaining.
It's short, it's quick, you

603
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,600
know, very radio friendly.
If anybody actually listens to

604
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,880
the radio anymore, which they
don't because my kids at school,

605
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,360
they don't listen to the radio.
They don't even know what a

606
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,680
radio is.
OK, so call me Grandpa says stop

607
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,040
listening to the radio.
Now everything is Spotify or

608
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Apple Music or Pandora, Twitter,
Twitter or whatever.

609
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,680
I don't know what whatever these
kids listen to today.

610
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,760
OK, so very much for the music
video, very much a retro TV

611
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,320
feel.
So I like the low style

612
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,639
graphics, which by the way is
not as easy as you think it is

613
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,960
putting it together.
It actually takes work to

614
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,679
denigrate and degrade the visual
schema.

615
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,719
So my hat's off to them on that
for the for the, and I'm sure,

616
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,920
and I know you've seen the video
100 times, so I'll just, I'll

617
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080
just dig into it.
There are two elements to the

618
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,480
the cinematography we're
changing, of course, there's the

619
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,360
retro style commercial, you
know, late night television

620
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,199
commercial aesthetic to it,
which I thought was really cool.

621
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,080
And the editing, I mean the
editing is phenomenal.

622
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,840
As an editor, I will say the
editing certainly matches the

623
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,520
beats per minute of the song,
which.

624
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:49,159
Is that's cool?
Yeah, so, but also the actually

625
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,639
lensed portions of it very much
have a horror style quality to

626
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,720
them and a giallo.
Now giallo, if you know what

627
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,800
giallo is, it's the Italian
horror crime, well, really more

628
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,680
crime thrillers of the 60s and
70s, a lot of Dario Argento,

629
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,280
Red, you know, lensing and and
filters and stuff.

630
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,080
And they bounced back and forth
with this first video.

631
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
And that would be retro ads,
which I thought was very nice.

632
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,040
I presented in the 16 by 9
aspect, which is normal for

633
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,320
digital now and again a very
erratic editing style.

634
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,600
But what I liked about it was it
matched the beats.

635
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,880
It didn't feel offsetting.
One of the projects I have my

636
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,760
digital video students do is to
put a music video together for

637
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,640
the favorite song of theirs, and
then they have to put together

638
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,760
images and photos or whatever
they want to do to match the

639
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,480
song.
So this plays right into what I

640
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,640
teach because the music has to,
you know, it has to, the editing

641
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,280
has to match the music.
I mean, if you're listening to,

642
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,040
you know, a waltz by, you know,
by whoever, you know, it's got

643
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,480
to have a certain editing style.
But with Lovejoy, very, you

644
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,280
know, frenetic, very exciting,
very energy.

645
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,040
But again, also, we live in an
ADH world today where things are

646
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,880
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom.

647
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,120
So it's not something I would
recommend elderly people to

648
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,240
watch.
They'll probably get to go into

649
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,680
a convulsion or something,
right?

650
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Exactly a seizure.
But again, with this one, the

651
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,440
elements work very, very well.
So.

652
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
I could see this though.
Sometimes I wanna wait, wait,

653
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,400
hold that, make it clearer for
me.

654
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,360
I wanna see what's happening.
Yeah, or you got, you got to

655
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,360
play it on YouTube, you got to
play it at .75 speed to slow it.

656
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,280
Down.
OK, OK.

657
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,200
You know.
Take a note.

658
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,960
I'm not there yet and I can
still enjoy this kind of this

659
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,840
kind of style of, but again, I
mean, very well put together.

660
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,840
The song is very catchy.
Yeah.

661
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,440
That's my thought on Common
Touch.

662
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,280
What did you think about the
character that will replace in

663
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,600
the Chair?
Watching these shows and

664
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,560
watching them all scrambly and.
You know it.

665
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Hello.
It evoked a very old music video

666
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920
by Billy Joel called Pressure,
where he's sitting in a chair

667
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,200
watching the screen and he's,
you know, jerking around here

668
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,040
and all that and stuff.
That's right.

669
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,440
And it was kind of evoking a
little bit of that also.

670
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,440
And again, you know, as I tell
my students, listen, whatever

671
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,720
you're going to think of was
already done 80 years ago.

672
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,840
So once you get past that
hurdle, once you pass that

673
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,280
hurdle, you're going to be just
fine.

674
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
You do whatever you want to make
it better, but you're not going

675
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,240
to reinvent the wheel, OK?
It's been done already, you

676
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,640
know?
And it's the same thing.

677
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Like, you know, you watch this
video and you go, I remember

678
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,720
that from this movie.
I remember it from that music

679
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,920
video and what you just said, a
vote for me pressured by Billy

680
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,200
Joel, you know, right?
Or you know.

681
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,200
Help.
But think of Howard Hughes when

682
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,440
he was sitting in that chair.
I'm like, this is so Howard

683
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Hughes coded.
It just looks like a nightmare.

684
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,720
Yeah.
Where he's just becoming one

685
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,080
with the chair.
Yes, like literally.

686
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,240
Yeah, absolutely.
And and again, it's just, you

687
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,200
know, it had that those horror,
I mean, not as much as the next

688
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,720
video, but it had as much as
that horror element to it.

689
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,000
Basically just based on the
cinematography, you know, a lot

690
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,200
of Reds, a little bit of
turquoise or greens or Blues,

691
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,760
you know, kind of mixed in.
And it sets the tone for what

692
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,280
kind of theme they're going for.
And that's what I got out of a

693
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,800
person.
So OK if that helps.

694
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,800
Yeah, cool.
I dig that.

695
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Yeah, the next of that we had
pay and display.

696
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,520
And Yousef, are you familiar
with the term pay and display or

697
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,760
what that means?
It's not just like it's more of

698
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,320
an English thing.
I think we do it here, but we

699
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,040
try to keep it.
Clean here, let me say.

700
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Oh.
OK.

701
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,400
When I used to do my magic mic
stuff back in the day, a pandas.

702
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,680
No.
OK, so in terms of the in terms

703
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,400
of the English or British, and I
apologize if I mixed that up.

704
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,880
I don't even I'm trying to
trying to be proper here.

705
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,560
The British and English is the
same thing, but I'm from New

706
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,240
Jersey and I'm not dragging my
knuckles in the ground still.

707
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,960
But I don't know what it means
in in in Dave's.

708
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,800
If you can explain it to me, I'd
be very grateful.

709
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Basically if you go into a car
park parking lot and then you

710
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,440
have to pay money to park in
that space.

711
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,760
So you'd put your money in a
machine and they'd give you a

712
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,800
ticket and you display.
The rule is you display your

713
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,200
ticket on your dashboard, yes?
So your pay and display.

714
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,240
OK, All right.
I mean, it's a it's a very

715
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,480
interesting plan of words, you
know, because to me, planned

716
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,400
display means I take my clothes
off for money and, you know,

717
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Magic Mike style.
So, you know, but that was a

718
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,600
long time ago anyway, But it's
very interesting because from

719
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,160
what I can tell, I'm going to
assume it's in an elevator.

720
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,240
I guess it takes place in a
garage.

721
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Is that when I'm when I'm
getting a sense of oh?

722
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,960
I didn't even think of that.
Like a parking garage with an

723
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,720
elevator.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking

724
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,680
now, very.
Interesting though.

725
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,080
Very.
Interesting setup because this

726
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,000
one very different shop, 43
aspect ratio, basically almost a

727
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,680
square, so very confined.
OK.

728
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,720
And from what I'm getting from
what Dave is saying, sounds like

729
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,280
that's supposed to take place in
a, in a, in a, in a parking

730
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,200
garage elevator, you know, but
every time that door opens, it's

731
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,600
nothing but infinite blackness.
And I find it very fascinating

732
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,040
because once again, the horror
elements.

733
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,120
Come out of it.
What's gonna come out of the

734
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,800
darkness, right?
Wilbur's in an elevator,

735
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,480
basically, with more and more
people coming in.

736
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,560
And when you're in an elevator,
you're in a very confined space.

737
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,520
It's very uncomfortable.
Then people come in.

738
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,000
This guy comes in with a side of
beef or pork or whatever it is.

739
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,480
It gets even weirder.
And for some reason, it evoked a

740
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,840
very funny scene in the Marx
Brothers movie.

741
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,040
I think it was the.
I'm trying to remember which one

742
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,480
when they're in the cruise ship
and.

743
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,520
Everybody gets dating yourself.
Yeah, I know.

744
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,320
I'm this is my 14th lifetime
lifetime.

745
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,200
Bear with me.
Everybody's getting crowded in

746
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
this room until it finally pops
open.

747
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,440
And that's what I was getting,
that more and more people were

748
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,640
getting in the elevator.
And that's in and of itself a

749
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,560
horror because you don't want to
get stuck in with somebody guy

750
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,000
smoking and a side of beef or
pork or whatever that is.

751
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,000
And again, people just coming in
from the dark, you know?

752
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,360
So again, very much a lot of
elements of Dario, Argento and

753
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,840
horror Jello mixed in with this
also.

754
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,880
But again, the aspect ratio
being 43 compresses the image

755
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,240
and really makes it more
claustrophobic, which is I found

756
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:30,640
very interesting.
Yeah.

757
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,520
So thank you.
You've pointed out things I

758
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,440
hadn't even thought of, like
that they come in from the

759
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,840
darkness.
I didn't think picture.

760
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,720
I didn't even, like, catch that.
And then the parking garage

761
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,840
makes sense for.
Yeah, other things we've seen,

762
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,320
like in Rob.
Right.

763
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,800
Because the dwelling outside
that little model building,

764
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,800
doesn't it look like a parking
garage?

765
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,040
Dave, you're looking confused at
me.

766
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,680
That was the next video.
Yeah, like they're all coming in

767
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,200
from being in town, from their
various things.

768
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Right.
Yeah, it could be.

769
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Or an apartment building, I
thought.

770
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:02,920
Apartment.
Building.

771
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,360
Garage.
It leaves it open for

772
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,240
interpretation because you can't
tell what's around.

773
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Well then.
But when you look at all three

774
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:18,200
videos, has he gone into the
basement and then goes on to the

775
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,760
ROB video?
Or he could well be in a parking

776
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,400
garage.
He's certainly not on a floor

777
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960
with front doors.
You know.

778
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,520
No.
You know what I mean he he

779
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,120
hasn't got out with the lift and
and going to a house.

780
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:42,560
So it could well be the parking
garage and then is rob one of

781
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,680
these areas in the parking lot
where it's all?

782
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,960
Residents only building.
Yeah.

783
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,160
So that's a little other.
That's a whole other music

784
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,320
video.
I never even thought about that

785
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,240
interest.
I thought an interesting thing,

786
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,360
I brought this up the last
episode that I want to get

787
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,720
yousef's take was I'm always
attributing this to someone on

788
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,040
Reddit.
I should have their name

789
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,080
suggested the idea that the
everyone in the elevator

790
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080
represents one of the seven
deadly sins.

791
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,960
And I thought that was like,
genius.

792
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,160
Yeah, when you think about it.
Yeah, I could see that.

793
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,320
Character.
I could see that.

794
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,160
I don't know if you you picked
up on that or think that makes.

795
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Sense not really, but as I'm
starting to think about it in

796
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,240
the hands during my head is
starting to spin more and more.

797
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,920
You know, I can definitely see
that.

798
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,720
I mean, I can see the gentleman
with the cigarette smoking and

799
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,680
and basically as being excess or
gluttony or whatever.

800
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,760
I mean, there are things you can
definitely.

801
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,000
There could be gluttony.
The meat could be gluttony,

802
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,840
right?
Exactly.

803
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,960
I think when we get to the next
video, I think to be honest with

804
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,960
you, with Rob as my witness
potentially could be the very

805
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,040
bottom of that elevator last
floor could be hell Monster get

806
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
talking about it.
Right, talk about that.

807
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,520
You know, Angie's favorite part
in pay and display when all hell

808
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,920
breaks loose.
Or should I say like the

809
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,960
elevator?
Right.

810
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Exactly.
And that's the thing.

811
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,080
The thing about that elevator
sequence in pay and display,

812
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,720
there's a shot where it's an
extreme long shot and you see

813
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,680
nothing, blackness or darkness
but the elevator.

814
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,160
Yeah, right.
The question is, is it on a

815
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,640
journey to hell?
Now, hell can be a different

816
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,160
thing for different people.
Everybody, every religion has a

817
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,760
different idea of hell.
Mine is getting stuck in traffic

818
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,120
on the highway.
That's hell.

819
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000
But everybody's different, you
know, the, the, the conception

820
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,560
of hell.
So this journey to maybe is a

821
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,360
journey to hell, you know, I
mean, again, Dave, I think

822
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,760
unlocked it for me when he said
this pane display means a

823
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,600
garage.
Like OK, the garage is a

824
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,400
metaphor for Dante's.
Maybe Dante's multi levels of

825
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,200
hell.
Oh my gosh, I never thought

826
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,640
about that.
But we just.

827
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,720
We have yeah, we have touched on
the on the whole concept of

828
00:44:55,720 --> 00:45:01,400
maybe it is going to hell.
So I'm really, I'm really

829
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,760
pleased that you caught on to
that too, because that's

830
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,400
something we've tossed around
quite a bit.

831
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,840
Yeah.
When it turns red and it says on

832
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,760
the screen that was showing the
numbers, it says what Angie can

833
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
say that I can't.
Shit, Shit, shit, shit shit,

834
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,120
shit, shit that.
Didn't you love that, Yousef?

835
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,360
Is that like a mess?
That is funny, right?

836
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,160
Well, again, when we get to the
third video, there'll be more

837
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,920
thoughts on that.
But like I said, I did, I did

838
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,360
take the notes.
But you know, again, pane

839
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,040
display if you want to have this
trilogy, basically is the middle

840
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,280
portion of the trilogy, as in
with any trilogy in any movie or

841
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,520
anything, the middle is really
the bridge between the beginning

842
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,400
and the end.
OK, and I know it sounds

843
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,960
self-explanatory, but if you
look at something like Empire

844
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,320
Strikes Back, Empire Strikes
Back and stand on its own as a

845
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
masterpiece, right?
But it's also the middle portion

846
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,760
of a trilogy, right?
So if we are, we're doing this

847
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,120
commuting, OK, all the commuting
is being done in pane display.

848
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,080
Essentially we are descending
downwards.

849
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
OK, I don't want to sound
metaphysical about this.

850
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,200
I'm not a philosopher.
No, we like that.

851
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,640
A fortune cookie philosophy says
XY and Z.

852
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,120
But as I'm hearing more and more
of it, and again, thanks to Dave

853
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,680
really unlocking that term.
Really.

854
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,880
I mean, and if you've been in a
garage, and I have one here

855
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,280
where I live in my area, I park
in a public garage and it's

856
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,360
school.
We have a public garage and it's

857
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,400
a dump.
I mean, you don't want to touch

858
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,640
anything because it's just, it's
in Paterson, NJ.

859
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,560
It's like being in Brixton.
I guess if I could say Dave and

860
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,320
Brixton is still not a nice area
from what I understand.

861
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,520
I'm not sure but you get the
idea.

862
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,600
Basically it's hell trying to
walk and put and never mind

863
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,280
going into the elevator.
I tell my students do not go

864
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,320
into the elevator.
Never, never.

865
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,720
OK, no, we we have multi Storey
car parks.

866
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,360
Yes, all on different levels,
right.

867
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,120
You go up the stairs.
Yeah.

868
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
You don't touch the railings.
Exactly.

869
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,200
Don't touch a door with your
hand.

870
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,480
You just kick that door, right.
And you walk up the middle of

871
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,120
the flight of stairs, you don't
touch a thing.

872
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,480
You certainly wouldn't go in a
lift.

873
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,440
That's correct.
You know.

874
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Yeah.
Not with the.

875
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,400
Same yeah, same here blame you
say now the one we have here in

876
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,680
the local and then my town here,
it's actually they're very clean

877
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,200
very well kept.
But when you go by school,

878
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,360
because it's in a very urban
area I mean literally the the

879
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,520
the crud will attack you and
devour you.

880
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,280
So it's one of those things
where, you know, you just you

881
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,200
just fossee your way up and down
the stairs, you know, and I tell

882
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,960
my students, look, have you seen
me and walk with me, Take the

883
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,600
stairs.
Please do not take the elevator.

884
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,920
I want to see you in class, OK?
Because again, you might end up

885
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,040
in Lovejoy's hell, you know, at
this rate.

886
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,160
So.
Whenever, whenever I travel

887
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,040
anywhere by car, like if I'm
going to show with my daughter,

888
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,720
I will do anything to avoid
parking in one of those because

889
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,480
it terrifies me.
Yes.

890
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,120
Not just going in and during the
day, but even at night it's even

891
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,000
worse.
And if you're, you know, big

892
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,000
cities like Nope, I will pay for
valet parking rather than do

893
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,320
that.
It's scary.

894
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,200
Yeah, nothing good ever happens
in a parking garage, you know.

895
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,640
But again, you know, we have
them here and it's good because

896
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,360
we needed the space.
But they're so well maintained.

897
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,880
And for myself personally, I'm
not cavalier, but you know,

898
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,400
being a 12th degree black belt
in my martial arts, no can do.

899
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,400
I am not worried.
You know, I trained for many

900
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,640
years, but, you know, I'm kind
of tired.

901
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,640
I don't like getting kicked in
the face anymore, so it's no

902
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,680
fun.
But I trained for many years,

903
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,400
yeah.
Yeah.

904
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,200
Are you really a 12th degree?
No, no, no, no.

905
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,560
In my style.
I made it up.

906
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,480
It's called No, can't do.
It's my style.

907
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,320
No, no.
But I could train for a lot.

908
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,040
I did train for a lot of years
and.

909
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Holy shit, my daughter is a
second degree and I was gonna

910
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,240
like be like.
Yeah, there's no, there's no

911
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,760
12th degree.
If you hear that, it's all

912
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,360
bullshito, as they call it.
That's the new term now.

913
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,360
I was gonna say, I think it goes
up.

914
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,400
Yeah, as of this minute, it's
the new term.

915
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Right, exactly.
But you know, we've come about

916
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,880
to Lovejoy and their video
again.

917
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,120
It just gives you a hellish
display.

918
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,360
You know of this elevator to
nowhere in darkness.

919
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,880
You know, the, the, the
analogies are so very powerful,

920
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,600
the visual, the visual schema,
you know, very powerful and very

921
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,160
relatable and that their songs
are so easy to digest.

922
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,040
And I think that's a good thing.
So with Rob as my witness, which

923
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,840
is the song and music video that
came out first out of the three

924
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,040
but is the final in this
trilogy, we wanna hear what you

925
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,240
have to say.
Yes, thank you.

926
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,720
All righty with Rob.
Is my.

927
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,760
Witness witness yes okay, all
right, so very interesting.

928
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,640
This one I found to be the most
cinematic of them all.

929
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,600
Basically in a wide screen, a
2.0 aspect ratio, little black

930
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,520
bars, the top and the bottom,
the notes.

931
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,560
It is more of a cinematic kind
of piece.

932
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,840
Fight Club meant kind of
inspired me.

933
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,400
Fight Club very much so.
I'm thinking now connecting it

934
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,480
with what we we've talked about
in the last two videos.

935
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,560
This is probably the bottom
level, probably Dante's Inferno,

936
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,760
basically the lowest level hell.
And I backed that up with

937
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,480
basically the cinematography
being Orem style, basically gold

938
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,200
tinged lighting and filters
invoking this sense of, I would

939
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,720
say fire.
So in the Christian and Catholic

940
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:33,680
religions and stuff, fire being
hell.

941
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,520
OK, not really.
I've been to hell.

942
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,800
And it's it's not a big deal.
That's another story.

943
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,880
But very much a combination of
this Orem styled gold style

944
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,040
lighting and lensing mixed in
with this industrial cold blue

945
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Gray look to it that really
evokes a very cinematic style.

946
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,040
And I'm thinking this is the
most stylish of them all.

947
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:01,360
Of course, kinetic editing
naturally and will getting his,

948
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,440
you know, butt kicked in
basically what looks like a

949
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,960
casino and could be, you know,
representing demons, you know,

950
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,160
at the crafts table or the cards
table or whatever they're

951
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,680
playing, you know, very much
Atlantic City style, you know,

952
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,040
for us Jerseyites, you know, But
again, the most cinematic of

953
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,680
them all.
And again, this, this wide

954
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,880
screen look to it very
cinematic.

955
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,840
So my credit goes to the the the
folks that put these things

956
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,880
together.
Noisy act, if I'm reading it

957
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,760
correctly.
Noisy act they did, yeah.

958
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,600
They did pay and display, Yeah,
and with Rob as my witness.

959
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,760
Yeah.
And again, my hat's off to them,

960
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,520
too, for really putting
together, you know, a very

961
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,960
visual style that I think is
more of an improvement over what

962
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,920
I've seen in the past 15 to 20
years, this alley theme that I

963
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,480
think works very well.
And then when you put them

964
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,120
together, yeah, I'm going to say
this journey into Dante's

965
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,600
Inferno, that's what I'm that's
what I'm getting out of it now

966
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,440
that we're talking about it.
And it's it's working its way

967
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,640
through my head.
Yeah.

968
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,520
And I think this was their best
video of the and I like them

969
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,840
all, but I think this last one I
think was my favorite.

970
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,800
I should say not the best.
I'd say my favorite.

971
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,920
It's my favorite as well.
Yeah, I like all the different

972
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,960
sort of stories that are
happening.

973
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,720
Yeah, you're out.
Yeah, very much so, you know, I

974
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,920
mean, and the kid can take a
punch apparently, so I guess

975
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,480
that's good too, you know.
So, you know, but again, I mean,

976
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,160
very visually stimulating in in
terms of of the look to it.

977
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,880
And again, that that gold hinge
to it really just tells me that

978
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,960
this is hell, if anything.
And again, everybody's vision of

979
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,560
hell is very different.
So, you know.

980
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Yeah.
So I.

981
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,040
Think that the film makers had
said on Instagram somewhere or

982
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,760
maybe it was in an article about
how it's meant to be like he's

983
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,160
getting everything thrown at him
in overwhelming way and is sort

984
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,120
of expected to be able to act
without thinking and be

985
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,720
successful.
So all of a sudden be very good

986
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,080
at poker or be able to handle a
back boxing match.

987
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,560
And I just, I just love all
those moments with the lights

988
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,760
popping up on on him and
blinding him for a second, you

989
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,760
know?
Yeah, it's it's intense and it's

990
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,840
very entertaining and it's a
true little mini movie, I feel

991
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,760
like.
Makes me wonder too, because

992
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,960
after he gets beat up and
they're dragging him away or

993
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,960
whatever, it's like, OK, what's
next?

994
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,960
Is there something else waiting
for him?

995
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,640
You know, because like you said,
he basically gets a losing hand

996
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,840
at poker.
I mean, he doesn't know how to

997
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,800
play right?
I mean, he's like, he's just

998
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,440
like, whatever.
He just close.

999
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:41,320
Like, what is this?
Yeah.

1000
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,280
So it's like, what's next?
Is it just gonna keep going and

1001
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,160
going and going if you know?
Yeah, that would be hell.

1002
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:49,240
Yeah, what will he face next?
Yeah, right.

1003
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,120
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I think it's a thing

1004
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,400
about the fame, you know, it
could be an allegory of fame.

1005
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,680
You know, this, this, this
success that they're going to

1006
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,680
have or they're having could be
a little intense for a lot of

1007
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,680
people, you know, especially
when they're not prepared for

1008
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,880
it, you know, And you know, how
you navigate that, that new

1009
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,960
lifestyle, that new level you've
attained, you know, a lot of

1010
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440
these, a lot of these artists or
film makers or whatever, they're

1011
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,680
like, you know, oh, you know,
I'm not interested in fame and

1012
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,440
fortune and, you know, I just
want to do my part.

1013
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,160
Yeah.
Baloney.

1014
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,800
Everybody wants to make a buck
and everybody wants to be in

1015
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,280
front of the camera.
In the end, we are human beings.

1016
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,080
We're vain creatures.
And how we handle that success

1017
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,400
is what defines us as people.
You know, people like Tom Hanks

1018
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,880
or Tom Cruise or some of these
other people have been around a

1019
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,600
very long time in front of the
camera, don't react to, you

1020
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,280
know, photographs going off in
their face.

1021
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,200
They're used to it.
You know, So maybe this this

1022
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,480
young man in this video is just
basically trying to adapt to a

1023
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,160
new lifestyle to a new level,
you know, and that could be an

1024
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,360
allegory for that too.
Again, I think they're in hell

1025
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,960
and maybe that's just hell.
Maybe he's not prepared of the

1026
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,160
character.
Maybe he's not prepared for all

1027
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,480
the things that are coming his
way because the talents is

1028
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,840
finally coming through my maths,
Mike.

1029
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,720
What do you think about the
ending when it's like that blue

1030
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,160
figure sort of like jumps off at
the end?

1031
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,040
People have different
interpretations of that, and

1032
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,400
what that means is that.
Yeah, it's kind of a graphic of

1033
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,920
a building and then on the Cliff
and whatever and then jumping

1034
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,080
off.
It could be, you know, he's,

1035
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,040
he's just getting out of it, you
know, could be, you know, could

1036
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,560
be interpreted as a lot of
things.

1037
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,240
Maybe he just got fed up, he got
tired.

1038
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,480
Maybe they threw him out, you
know, you know, I don't know.

1039
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,360
It's really the film makers or
the OR the artists will tell you

1040
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:31,440
what it means in the end, You
know, when it comes to

1041
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,120
interpretation of things of art,
you can have your opinion on it,

1042
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,800
but ultimately it's the artist
or the film maker that'll tell

1043
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,880
you.
This is what I was thinking

1044
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,080
because they made it.
Right, right.

1045
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,200
If.
You talk to Lisa da Vinci when

1046
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,320
you asked him, hey, Leo, what's
Mona Lisa smiling about?

1047
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,440
And he'll tell you, hey, it's up
to you to decide, you know, but

1048
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,720
here's what I think you know,
And he'll tell you what he

1049
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,120
thinks.
And you're going, Yeah, OK, you

1050
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,640
did it.
It's your interpretation.

1051
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,320
It's really up to the artists
and the film makers.

1052
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,800
I don't think we'll ever know
for sure what it means 100% or

1053
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,760
who Rob is.
We're always still trying to

1054
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,080
figure out who Rob is, right?
There's hints to it, you know,

1055
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,960
residents only building and it's
like in place of God.

1056
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,000
But but in the song, it's like
in place of God.

1057
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,120
Rob's your only witness, God's
really, you know.

1058
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,480
So I don't know if you had a
feeling on that or what any of

1059
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,400
that meant or if you didn't get
really into the the lyricism of

1060
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,200
it.
No, not, not as much.

1061
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,120
I've I've listened to them a few
times and I've watched the

1062
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,760
videos a whole bunch of times.
But again, I'm so overwhelmed by

1063
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,680
the the amazing visuals.
You know the and then the whole

1064
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,240
schema.
You know that I'd have to go

1065
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,600
back and listen to the lyrics
again and really pay attention.

1066
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,360
I was too much busy.
I was busy enjoying the music.

1067
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,040
You know, I was enjoying the.
Music video.

1068
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,080
You did too, you know.
And it's one of those things

1069
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,160
where I'd have to go back now
and start writing or getting the

1070
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,440
lyrics and then start really
analyzing them.

1071
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,280
So what you come up with and
what I come up with, what Dave

1072
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,160
and Angie come up with could be
different interpretations, could

1073
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,880
be the same thing.
In the end, you know, we know

1074
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,640
that water's wet.
We just don't know why.

1075
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,880
Well, I it's, it's refreshing to
hear your take on it.

1076
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,720
We've been like bouncing these
ideas and thoughts around like a

1077
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,040
ping pong ball and it's great to
get it like a quote UN quote

1078
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,000
outsider's take.
Yeah, I I wanted to give credit

1079
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,240
where credit's due because I
know we mentioned Noisiak as the

1080
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,720
producers, directors of pay and
display and with Rob was my

1081
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,320
witness.
Whereas Common Touch production

1082
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,240
company is IDKUK Unlimited.
The director and editor is

1083
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:31,800
Elodie Grenville.
Elodie is a long time friend,

1084
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,560
photographer, videographer,
editor of the band and Wilbur.

1085
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,120
And so this is cool.
This is sort of like she's done

1086
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,040
a lot of big projects for them,
but this I think is the biggest.

1087
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,760
And so it's super exciting and
it's exciting that you enjoyed

1088
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:52,000
it so much knowing that this is
like her baby and we're proud of

1089
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,960
her from for our own reasons on
the outside.

1090
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,520
Yeah, no, the editing is.
I mean, I was impressed with the

1091
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,160
editing.
Again, it's one of my forte's is

1092
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,440
editing right, you know?
And that was always hers, so

1093
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,720
that's neat.
And that's the thing and you

1094
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,880
know, it Harkins back to the old
days of Hollywood.

1095
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,800
The women were the editors back
in the old days of Hollywood,

1096
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,160
you know, women were mostly
editors, exclusively editors up

1097
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,000
until a certain point, you know,
But there are a lot of very

1098
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,800
famous.
There were famous and there are

1099
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,680
famous female editors to this
day, you know, and again, and I

1100
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,000
was very impressed with how
clean and how exciting and how

1101
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,760
jagged it could be, the editing,
you know, but it propelled the

1102
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,920
story forward and it matched the
music, which I think is very

1103
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,000
important.
Those are all awesome points

1104
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,800
that I'm Yeah.
I hope she hears this.

1105
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,560
And yeah, no, absolutely.
My hat's off.

1106
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,920
I think she'd appreciate it,
this lady young lady, because

1107
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,840
again, there's hope for the
future, you know, and what I

1108
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,040
preach in my classes and what I
do for myself is, you know, I

1109
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,880
make sure to, you know, match
the editing to the music style.

1110
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,920
I thought it was interesting
that you said that they had

1111
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,400
employed some techniques that
were used in horror because, and

1112
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,320
I don't know if you've seen the
art for the singles, but they're

1113
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,320
very much, they kind of evoke an
analog horror type of.

1114
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,600
Type of.
Feel When somebody had asked one

1115
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,040
of the band members what the
album was going to be like, his

1116
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,840
reply was scary.
So I thought it was really

1117
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,200
interesting that you said there
were some horror techniques

1118
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,880
involved in those videos.
Oh, very much, yeah.

1119
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,000
Very much so.
I mean, and, and, and and the

1120
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,080
running thread through all the
videos is, I mean, again, this

1121
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,000
this use of the giallo style,
you know, the Italian crime

1122
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,520
thriller very much Dario
Arigento.

1123
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,040
If you're familiar with
Suspiria, it's his most famous

1124
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,600
movie from 1977.
And it's a lot of gels, Reds and

1125
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,640
Blues and yellows.
And it evokes a certain feeling,

1126
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,760
you know, So for example, red
will will invoke horror or it'll

1127
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,440
invoke hell or an invoke, you
know, when you see something

1128
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,720
blue, it's more Placid.
You know, James Cameron uses a

1129
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,360
lot of blue.
And I asked him when I

1130
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,120
interviewed him about the blue
filter.

1131
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,200
And he says it's very calming,
you know, like water, you know,

1132
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,840
things like that.
If you use green, it's usually,

1133
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,760
you know, envy, you know, or
jealousy.

1134
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,320
So the use of these gels in the
way and I'm going to assume they

1135
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,600
were all shot on video as most
things are today.

1136
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,880
Unfortunately.
You mentioned analog.

1137
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,000
I find that very interesting
because film is technically

1138
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,600
analog format whereas digital is
electronic.

1139
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,080
Very different feel.
But the way they shot these

1140
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,600
music videos with the use of
proper lensing and the proper

1141
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,720
use of filters gives it a very
analog horror feel, much to what

1142
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,160
Angie is saying.
And I can concur with that

1143
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,520
completely.
Again, they stand out because

1144
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,480
they're so well put together
from a film making standpoint.

1145
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,960
What I see is the use of aspect
ratio, the use of filters, the

1146
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,320
use of slanted camera angles.
When we, we, we call it Dutch

1147
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,200
angle, you know, or a slanted
angle, we are basically saying

1148
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,600
to the audience, this is an
altered reality, OK?

1149
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,560
Because we don't all walk around
like this.

1150
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,400
We walk around like this.
So when you alter the plane,

1151
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,560
right, the X axis, Y axis as we
call it, you are now essentially

1152
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,880
you are warping reality.
And that's what that means.

1153
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,480
This is all very fascinating.
I took your class, you said.

1154
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:26,440
I love and it's so nice to hear
from somebody that knows what

1155
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:33,320
they're talking about, unlike us
to write that that you enjoyed

1156
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,880
the videos and you thought they
were well done because of course

1157
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,480
we love them because we're fans
and we're also extremely biased,

1158
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,160
so.
Right.

1159
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,320
Hear that from you is is really
interesting and really great.

1160
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,280
I love movies.
Movies are mine, Leslie will

1161
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,640
tell you.
Movies are my life, OK, But that

1162
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,920
does not mean that I cannot
break them down or attack them

1163
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,280
or praise them when I have to.
It's good to be fans, but you

1164
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,320
need to maintain a certain level
of objectivity to propel the

1165
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,840
next levels for what you endear
yourself to.

1166
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,440
It's important to have that
objectivity as well as the

1167
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,880
subjectivity to be able to say,
listen, here's where I think

1168
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,440
they're great.
Here's where I think they need

1169
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,080
to improve.
Here's what they should do next.

1170
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,120
Here's what, you know, what we
think would work for them.

1171
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,000
Now, Of course, they're going to
know themselves.

1172
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,840
They're they're bands.
They're going to know what's

1173
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,600
best for themselves.
You know, The Beatles, up until

1174
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,480
1967, The Beatles were or 60.
Yeah.

1175
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,600
Around there.
They're very clean cuts, you

1176
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,760
know, well dressed young men.
That's because their manager,

1177
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,480
Brian Epstein, right, had a
certain look for them.

1178
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,320
You all wore suits, you kept
your hairs nice and neat.

1179
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,120
When he committed suicide, he
passed away, unfortunately in

1180
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,440
67.
They took control of their

1181
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,960
destiny and totally changed
their look, their music, their

1182
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,240
style, right?
Bands will grow now.

1183
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,840
They've been around from 2021
from what I'm seeing, if I'm not

1184
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,760
mistaken, right?
There's still a young band,

1185
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,040
right?
They're gonna continue to evolve

1186
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,680
their identity.
We have to.

1187
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,360
We all have to.
OK.

1188
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,280
I know Leslie for many, many
years.

1189
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,680
But Leslie today is not the
Leslie I first met, you know,

1190
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,280
back in the day.
You know, she's grown.

1191
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,880
She's a mom, she's a wife.
You know, she's got pink hair.

1192
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,440
You know she's changed.
You know I'm not the.

1193
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:21,240
Same.
Better.

1194
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,800
Yeah, you're not.
You're getting, you're still

1195
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,320
you're you're a lovely young
lady still, OK.

1196
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,640
I mean, I've evolved, you know,
I'm now a grumpy old man.

1197
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,040
I'm in my 50s and I'm halfway
to, you know, retirement.

1198
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,120
But we will continue to evolve
as you're the band.

1199
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,600
And I call it your band because,
you know, you love them so much.

1200
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,040
And I'm becoming a fan.
You call it our band.

1201
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,760
I tell people that all the time.
I'll be like, oh, that's my

1202
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:44,800
band.
Right, exactly.

1203
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,080
It's your band, it's Lovejoy and
Leslie, right?

1204
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,280
So you will.
They will evolve Skippy, and

1205
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,640
they will grow.
I urge you to watch their older

1206
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,880
videos and their older stuff
because you'll see that they've

1207
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,800
very much evolved, actually.
All right.

1208
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,400
Yeah.
So in just this little span of

1209
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,960
time.
Well, again, when you have no

1210
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,520
money to work with and you're
shooting in your garage, OK,

1211
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,200
it's one thing, but you start to
build a reputation, you start to

1212
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,520
build an agency, you start to
develop a budget.

1213
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Production design and values go
up OK.

1214
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,120
When Warner Records takes you
under their.

1215
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:17,920
Way Warner records.
Yeah, exactly.

1216
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,120
Now, I mean, I can shoot TikTok
videos in my in my closet and

1217
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,440
you know, that's great.
Now Warner Brothers comes around

1218
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,480
and I say look, here's a budget
for your first movie, you know,

1219
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,320
yeah, I'm going to take it.
I'll sign the deal with that

1220
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,200
devil and take it, of course.
But again, the vision will not

1221
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,000
change.
That's what I hope for these

1222
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,920
young gentlemen because they're
very impressive, you know.

1223
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,320
But I think this group, Lovejoy,
I think they got they got a lot

1224
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,640
ahead of them and I hope nothing
for the the best for them.

1225
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,800
So you know.
Thanks, Yousef.

1226
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,920
Yeah.
You're welcome.

1227
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,240
Thank you.
Amazing.

1228
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,760
And I really appreciate you
taking the time to talk to us.

1229
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,880
Thank you.
I've heard these two go on about

1230
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,920
their theories and to sit here
and listen to what you've said,

1231
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,960
I know I've been exactly vocal,
but it's been a real eye opener

1232
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,480
on the way and a bit more the
detail you've gone into it.

1233
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,320
So, yeah, thank you very much.
I'm very grateful, I'm very

1234
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,120
happy to be here.
It's anything for Leslie.

1235
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,400
It was a real pleasure to talk
to you nice people, and Leslie,

1236
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,640
other nice people.
We'll talk to you soon and I

1237
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,800
think you have two more fans.
Yeah, anytime.

1238
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,160
I'll be watching more of their
stuff and getting into some of

1239
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,760
the other things that you had
mentioned.

1240
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Thank you.
It was a real pleasure to meet

1241
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,760
Jess and Leslie to see you again
after so long and anything else

1242
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,040
you need.
I'm I'm everywhere like did.

1243
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,160
You say you have a YouTube
channel.

1244
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:42,080
Yes, I do I do.
I have Yusuf first Youssef verse

1245
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,960
like universe because I'm very
conceited and Moon star film

1246
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,360
reviews is my upcoming movie
review channel that I finally

1247
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,040
launched and I'm starting to get
things going.

1248
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,920
So the Moon star film Odyssey is
my production company and and

1249
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,520
hopefully I'll be turning out
those $60 million hits

1250
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,160
eventually.
So we'll see what happens.

1251
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:02,160
Thank you all.
Right.

1252
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,320
All right, we'll be there.
Thank you.

1253
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,840
Thank you.
So much.

1254
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,600
Thank you.
Bye.

1255
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:08,400
Bye.
Bye.

1256
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,000
Loved that.
That was cool.

1257
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,640
That was fun.
Thank you for for getting him.

1258
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,000
On that is fantastic.
All right, well, that's our

1259
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,320
episode for today.
Thank you for listening and as

1260
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,920
always, want to remind you to
keep making those requests to

1261
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,920
radio stations.
I know it may not seem like it,

1262
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,960
but really does matter.
I think right now Lovejoy's pain

1263
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,120
display is #43 on the charts.
If we can get into that Top 40,

1264
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,880
that would be amazing.
So check out our website,

1265
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,120
lvjynation.com.
You'll see Angie's amazing

1266
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,240
comprehensive list of radio
stations and contact information

1267
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,560
so you can make requests.
And as always, you can comment

1268
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:52,000
the heck out of their social
media pages because they do see

1269
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,720
that as well.
Every little bit helps, as Vinny

1270
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,920
told us in the recent episode.
So again, by the time this goes

1271
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:05,240
out we may have a new album and
the next episode will be digging

1272
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,360
deep on.
That it's great.

1273
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,040
Dave is chomping at the bit and
he's absolutely chuffed at the

1274
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,080
same time.
So thank you for listening and

1275
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,280
we'll catch you next time.
Bye, guys.

1276
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:18,880
Bye.