20. JUMBO Episode! Happy 6-Month Anniversary One Simple Trick!

0:01 Hello, we are Lovejoy and you are listening to the Lovejoy Podcast. Hello Lovejoy Nation podcast. Hello love and joyers. Facts are coming. One simple trick. Lovejoys full length debut album 6 months old. Yay. Now we're going to dig in, dig into it, revisit it at the last time we talked about it was when it first came out. We had jotted down our initial impressions of the album and went through the songs. So then now we're going to sort of revisit with our feelings and thoughts have changed from then and to now and spend some time on the lyrics of each song and different interpretations we've come up with since we've had this long to listen to it over and over and over and over again. Yeah, awesome.

0:56 OK oh, but before we do that, Cam, we're just taking, you know, you've been sitting here such a gentleman. Cameron from Detroit, MI Detroit Red Ring fan. Been a Wilbur fan since 2019-2020 SMP Live. Oh yeah. Your most recent Lovejoy gig was in Detroit in the fall. Anything else you would like to share? I loved there's always good in the band and the good that happened was when the band gets smaller they feel more connected and I just loved being able to meet like my my 4 idols. Ma.

1:41 It was it was the coolest experience of my life. I have to agree with that was like an an emotional amazing fun most fun time ever it. Was it was the best concert I've ever been to. And that that's coming from an unbiased standpoint, as unbiased as I can be. Right. But I think I know what you mean. Like I think we've maybe spoken about this and I don't know if Dave possibly as well. I'm trying to remember when these conversations have occurred, that there was a period of time where we were worried about our little, silly little band getting too big. And, you know, we'd be happy for them, but we were afraid they're getting too big. And then you know.

2:23 Things happen too quick. Yeah, big, fast. That's true. And. Given that it's sort of like starting over a bit in their life cycle, maybe this we wouldn't have had this opportunity for meet and greets, these intimate venues if things had been different. Yeah. So selfishly, it's a good. Point. Yeah. Luxury went from zero to 3,000,000 monthly listeners in like 2 days. It was, it was wild. And it was just really like I remember crying when I couldn't get a ticket to my first to the first concert until they upgraded and it was just like it was, it was really, it was a really anxiety like anxious experience. But now that everyone's like closer together, it, it feels great.

3:15 I, I love, I love this band and everyone, everyone that's still a fan loves the band. And we've been lucky, fortunate enough to see them over the years. And I think we can all agree, or we can agree that the these latest shows, this latest tour has been more fun, more like energetic, exuberant, exciting than ever before. I think having Wilbur put down that guitar for some of the songs and just seeing his joy and confidence made us just like it was. Just making me jealous because. Yeah. I am waiting. Hey, hey, you've got to hear it before everyone.

3:57 Right. And that was a tiny little bar. Yeah, I mean, that goes into the first listening experience. Yes, 250 people, friends and family, everybody behind the scenes were there. And it was a very, very special moment. I'm not, I'm not going to lie. But was it the gig that you folks are talking about? It was not riotous. It was not jumping around hot and sweaty. It was. You didn't even know any of the lyrics at that point. No. It was just that's it, you know, they played Rob. Yeah, we all know this one. So it was a totally different experience.

4:40 Yeah, but you know, it's coming, so that's exciting too to look forward to. You'll get it, Dave. OK, it's happening. It's. Happening. It's happening and if I win, if I win some like major award of pot of money, I'll be over there too, don't forget. About me too. You're going to split it, right? Yeah. I'll throw you 1000. So overall thoughts on Wincible Trick then versus now. So where was your first? We've talked about when we first listened to the album so, but we haven't heard from Cam on that. So how did you first hear the songs? Hear the album? So I was in bed like getting because I had school the next morning at 6:00 and I was so excited to hear it I literally could not fall asleep. So I waited and listened to it, and then I listened to it again, and then again, and then finally went to bed. So you were a midnight listener?

5:37 Oh yeah, definitely cool. Did you have? Headphones or out loud you heard it. I had headphones, there's no way I would risk that. Angie had the headphones. Too. I did that too I I was a midnight listener with headphones as well. In here till like 6:00 that night actually, because I was weird. Really. Yeah. I waited to listen with my daughter. So we put on the YouTube and saw like the watched it through YouTube with the little like videos going on the screen, you know, of all the instruments and Wilbur. Yeah. And I took my notes for this podcast at that time. That whole day must have been torture, not trying to listen to it.

6:19 No, I was just excited, looking forward to it. It's like, you know, it's coming, so. Yeah, I, I could message in the group chat. Oh my God. And it's like, I haven't listened to it yet. And then we're all like. I didn't want to listen to it, like, like on my work computer, little speaker, you know, I wanted to just do it proper, sit in my living room, comfortable after dinner, like, just soak it in. Yeah. That makes sense. I would have sat in the car and done it at lunchtime, yeah. My daughter got me into the band, so I wanted to experience it with her. Yeah, whether she liked it. Did you listen from the start all the way through or did you skip a couple that you already knew and go to this? My very first listen I I listened to the whole album but only 5 seconds of each single and then I skipped it and then did that for the rest of the ones and then the second list and I listened to it all the way through. OK.

7:22 That's interesting. Interesting year strategy for that. I like that, yeah. It's curious just to, you know, because I went straight to Death box. That's the first one I listened to because I'd listened to everything else. Oh, they didn't play that one. They didn't play that. That's right. So I went straight to death box. So it's good to get somebody else's point of view of how or did they skip the first couple of tracks? Did they skip the tracks that we knew? You know, I want to want, I want to know why. And it may just be a technical reason why they didn't play Death Box in London. Was it? Yeah. It's curious choice, was it how we don't have the right equipment to?

8:05 Add it to the list of questions you want me to ask. Along with our gifts. And I'll just print that off forum and say, yeah, carrier bags full of gifts and a file of questions underneath my arm. That's why you have to go to VIP twice. Once for us, once for you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're back again. Yeah, Yeah. He'll be thrilled. So Cam, was there a an instant favorite on your first listen and is it still your favorite? My jaw dropped at the first like 3 seconds of baptism because there was just like boom, that's that's the album.

8:53 But my favorite was still Common touch. Like that's just been my consistent favorite. Everything besides it has been up and down like my list. That's. But yeah, that's. So real. It was, it was. It was always common touch. Because I totally agree with you, that first little part of baptism. Feel like I've been baptized by the band. See. You need that shirt. You need my shirt then. I know I was. I was about to buy it today and then I realized I just spent all my money on a baseball game. Get your priorities right.

9:34 Yeah. So interested to know whether Leslie, Angie, whether your favourites has changed? I guess I can't say that they have like I have like a White shark Cafe day where I just cannot get enough and I'll have a common touch day of his recent. I must have played it like 20 times in a row. So like that sort of thing. But my like fave fave from the get go has always been Death Block. That one does get stuck in my head the most. I think I was too overwhelmed at first to have a favorite, although exactly what Cam said that that that first part of baptism, and I think it was just because it was the first song on the album. I was like, what in the heck is this? Oh my gosh, in a good way.

10:18 I'm going to say that reaction is how I felt listening to Come On Girl Spit it Out. I was like, what? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he went there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have favorites now. I I thought I was crazy when I first. Really good. It's so good and it's so just straight to the point good. It's almost like, did he really say that? I can't believe he said that. Yes, he said it and I love it. It's great. And. Did anything surprise you on your first listen to the album? 1st. Apart from the news. Vibe. The real like the vibe in All in all honesty, I was hoping for like a full Pebble brain type of like like music, but if that makes sense. But like I was really like pleasantly surprised with it's more alternative rock.

11:13 Yeah, that's even though it's always been classified on Spotify as alternative. But like that it felt more more rough as in beat you up rough, not like bad rough. Right. I'm not sure if I explained that right, but you get the point. Well, Angie has a good way of explaining. Like a metal, heavy metal, sort of, yeah. But like sound you always describe. Yes, yes, that that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Like it makes me want to get in a fight. Yeah, yeah, because I find I listen to, I've been listening to Alt Nation more because that's where Lovejoy has always been. That's always been its home on Sirius. But those songs just seem too soft and they don't feel feel like they fit there anymore.

12:04 But they're still, they're always classified as alternative. So I'm not sure where else they would belong. I left another station is more fit. But the whole, I mean, we, we could talk for hours just on the alternative genre, you know, you say they don't fit, but then next thing you know, you're listening to The Cure, you're listening to Susie and the Banshees, Depeche Mode. It all still fits. I guess today's alternative isn't the same, I guess, Cam, do you see what I mean? Like I think R.E.M. Maybe was more like what Lovejoy is now or that Chili Peppers like 92.3 K Rock was the station we had in New York that.

12:50 Was those kinds red Hot Chili Peppers? Stone Temple Pilots like those were all considered alternative, but now it's not what you hear on alternative stations. Yeah, yeah, with the chilies, you know you've got blood sugar. Sex magic very much rock. Yeah. And then you've got Californication, which is a lot older and and and slower. Every band does change. There are songs on OST that would fit into Pebble. The Pebble Brain kind of thing. Yeah. They are a little different, but you could slot them in.

13:33 Yeah, I feel like it's more, Yeah, yeah. It's more similar to Wake up when It's over with, like Portrait and Warsaw. Yeah, I see that. Yeah. A little bit heavier, not so like poppy sounding. Yeah, yeah. Perfect, perfect explanation. Which is why I suspected that this might be possible, not impossible, that they might decide to do a name change. Because I've met people and when I say the band's Lovejoy, they think like, very poppy, like happier, almost like. Yeah. Than what it is, but maybe they like the juxtaposition of it not sounding like. Yeah, like I feel like switching from the cat to the ghost was them trying to say, hey, we're we're more hardcore than we used to be.

14:29 Or like, not scary, but like, I don't know. How it's heavier? Like, like, yeah, like that. His lyricism calls for it, too. It's not just bubble gum pop music. Yeah, because I'll admit, when I first saw the cover of I'm like, Oh my gosh, are they going to become a metal band or something? But I've I've grown to love the cover. I got LED to sign my vinyl. Cool. Oh, because she designed, she drew it, she made it or whatever. That's cool. This is probably a hot take. Indie music is not my thing.

15:10 I I gravitate towards muddle. So what about grunge? I I like grunge, it depends on how heavy the grunge is. And I know Lovejoy like with wake up but it's over. There was there was clearly some grunge influences in there which I liked. I mean scum hello full of grunge normal people. Things. Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes. And, and there's a reason why some of my favorite Lovejoy songs are those heavier songs. So for me, it's been fantastic to watch them evolve into this sound because this sound happens to be what I like.

15:55 And I I still obviously love their older stuff. That's what got me hooked on it, even though it wasn't typically my thing. But I love the direction they've gone. I really like like what they've done too. It's kind of like a reverse of what My Chemical Romance did because I never liked like, Danger Days is good, but it's just nothing like what they used to have. And I think it's kind of the opposite of what Lovejoy did. Even though I love all of Lovejoy's songs, I can't name, I can only name one I'm not super big on, which is Golden Hour somewhere. I can't even think of it. It's never in my mind. I do not like that song. That's the first one I'd listen to on repeat like a million times in a day.

16:41 That's funny. I just I like singing with this. It doesn't scratch my brain like everything else does. No, but. That's what's interesting. I love this. There are a few that I don't love. Actually. This. Yeah, perfect blue for me, you know. Despite your like. Oh, me too. Actually, I think that I'm that marked as my least favorite besides the visuals. OK, well let me just go back real quick because I just had a thought, Cam, because we've talked about this before too. Were you concerned before hearing the new album?

17:22 Were you like, worried for this album? Absolutely, absolutely. We worked. I was. So when I saw that little romp, I'm like, oh, I hope it's not What? I just don't want them to immediately change like genres. I just like, like I, I didn't think it wouldn't be. We didn't think it wouldn't be good. But there's just so much riding on it that it was scary. Like it was scary. And I'm like, they must be so scared. If we're feeling anxious, they must be, unless they're just so confident. I also I was scared when I heard the initials were going to be OST because I thought they were going to name it Original Soundtrack. Yeah.

18:06 Just like everybody else, that's all it was. It was very, very clever when he dropped OST because all people could think about was original soundtrack. And once that's lodged in your brain, it, it was difficult to you know what, what else does it mean? But soon as it was one simple trick, it was like. How did we not think to that? Yeah, I hadn't really heard that expression before, to be honest. Like I get what they're what it means, but I didn't, it wasn't like a in my vernacular, but so I didn't didn't resonate with me in that way. So. When I heard it was one simple trick, I was thinking of like those those like ads I'd play on like right before like SpongeBob plays.

18:54 It's like a medicine and it's like 1 simple trick with this one simple tablet, right? To make you lose a billion pounds in 40 minutes. Yeah, yeah. Because apparently like there are some advertisers that do actually use that terminology, which I worry sometimes when I'm putting in my hashtags because you hashtag one simple trick. I'm sure there's like a bazillion not look to related. Yeah, different main, you know. You know, just like there's multiple Lovejoy bands, there's multiple things that were are referred to as one simple trick. So in a way, I wish it was a little bit more truly. There's unique in that so that when you hashtag it, it's. Yeah.

19:37 It's not all over the place, but we were going to talk about the visuals We had. This is the cover done by Elodie. We had the fox, the whiskey glass, the finger gun. Yeah, initial impressions on all, on the graphics, on the artwork. The fox made me sad. With the Bunny right had the. Bunny. Yeah, well, I didn't know what. Go ahead. Heck, the cover was. Yeah, First I thought it was Mark. I thought it was Mark maybe in his ghost costume. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, it's, it's married. Or a nun.

20:20 Yeah, the album looked like a nun and a nun. Yeah. And then soon as somebody it looks like a horse, all I can see is a horse. Oh horse. I see this is the snout and that's the eye. Oh my God, me, it's a horse. Yeah. And then I thought is is it somebody wearing a horse's head? Do you know what I mean? Can you? You've only just seen the horse. Yes, I. Always. Yeah, I just saw I can't. Get away from these nostrils because how does a sheet over your head have nostrils?

21:00 Yes. See, this is Ash's goatee and that's his nose and that's his eye, and then this thing right here, See, these are like his fingers and he's got this rubber glove on because he's doing the dishes. I don't know. I think it's a nun. The more I thought about it, I'm like. Maybe that's the point. Maybe that's the point is for everybody to is for it not to be clear what it is. Yeah, like I say, originally I thought it was a nun. Now I'm questioning everything. Nun leaning back with the habit kind of falling. I really see the horse though too. Yeah. Yeah, that weird thing. Out now, so I'm sitting somebody. Staring at this now, isn't it? He's a horse. It's like the duck rabbit optical illusion, but yeah. But I think it's a non or the Virgin Mary. I thought this was like a goat, like a sheet, like someone in a ghost costume that's a sheet.

21:55 But then I couldn't understand why there'd be nostrils. Like you wouldn't see the nostrils in the eyes so clearly. Well, and the mouth, you see. Our mouth straw pad, it really throws you off. I like the other like the other ghost I think is like cuz I like it cuz it's a cutesy. Like when I decorate for Halloween, I like the cute decorations, not scary ones. So I like the ghost that's like their Spotify ghost. It's more like Pac-Man kind of cute. And Mark's drumhead. Ghost. Is that the same one right? I I like the analog horror thing, I'm all in for the visuals, but the album cover is definitely up to interpretation and I think maybe that's part of it actually, having thought about it a little more. Yeah, absolutely.

22:37 Nobody really knows what it is. They have done their job because we have four or five different theories drop down. But like, that doesn't look like a person's face though. Now you're confusing me. Do you think that looks like a person's face? Yes. They're laying back. The nostrils are huge. What is it? That's because. We're looking like how big man. But the mouth's like, not mouth. I think it's a mustache. It's all jaggedy. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Yeah. We're all just. Like this is what? Oh, here we go. Yeah. See. Oh, it's more like that. It is more like that.

23:18 It's. Like you need to do that again. Yeah, so the face is covered. Yeah, do it again, Cam. On there for about 5-5 or 10 seconds. Oh, this is going to be our thumbnail. This is perfect. Everybody react. There you go, you can stop now. That's right. Like you'd be sucking in the the the cloth in your mouth to make it look like that. Yeah. And then pushing up your nostrils. That's probably what they did. Oh my gosh. Their nostrils. Yeah. Oh, that sounds painful. Somebody knows the help? Oh, they painted their face white. That could be. But their face is cloth.

23:59 Over here, what do you I don't understand what you're. Their face is. This is. Cloth or it's a statue. It's a whole. Origin Mary statue. How put the worst because I can't Unsee it. What you say my brain hurts now? You got to explain people this delivering thing if they're listening for the first time. I work for a big brown delivery company and I was out delivering and a fox jumped out of a litter bin. Oh no, with a chicken in its mouth. Cooked chicken. I. Just stood there and he just looked at me well and it was just like the front cover.

24:42 Oh. I did get a picture, but not of the angle I would have liked to have done he. Didn't pose for. You. No, he didn't. I looked at him, got the phone out and then he was like crunching on bones. So. There's song Cam that and I guess this for all of us that grew on you that maybe at first was just, oh, it was good, but now it's like really? Perfect blue. Oh, I I thought it was kind of mid at first, but then I'm like wow, this is pretty good. Perfect blue. For me it was White Shark Cafe.

25:27 Everybody's going, I think White Shark Cafe as well, and I agree with you there. So then, Dave? What do you say? Scoundrels. Scoundrels. Scoundrels is really scoundrels. Not from the bottom, but scoundrels First initial lesson properly scoundrels was above Rob and things like that. But now Scoundrels is joint top for me with monochrome. Monochrome is my least listen to song. Oh wow. OK. Is it because it's mellow at the end and you want more? Like the heavier faster? Stuff. I'm not sure. I think it's because I like, I have the actual number here. I think it's just because it's the end of the album and like, I don't want to listen to you know what? Yeah, it's the least listen to on Spotify as well. I noticed that, Yeah, really.

26:21 And it's probably the same reason I'm guessing. Sure. Yeah. Very, very interesting. This Dave can't answer this necessarily. Sorry Dave, but trust to move us along. Is there a song that live hooked you in that seeing it live was like made it even better. An even better song, but change the experience for you. I can answer that. OK, OK. Go. Ahead, Foxholes. The Joe Solo. I love Joe. Yeah. That was so amazing to hear you've had more parts. I I'm a an OG Foxholes fan since first heard it and I was concerned, Not that I was concerned that Joe wouldn't do a good job, but I loved Wilbur doing the end. So it took me a little to get over that change. But I still love love love love Foxholes. It's right up there, right next to the death box. It was wild because Summerfest is the first time I remember them making that change.

27:40 And just hearing that for the first time is like, whoa. It I I love, I love that Joe. It has a bit more of a prominent role in his vocals, but that's neither here nor there. That's a different topic. So I won't talk about that. White Shark Cafe for me, White Shark Cafe again. I think hearing it live really helped me enjoy it so that I didn't like it before but I love it now. I remember White Shark Cafe from the gig, but I've been recently looking back at some of the videos that I did take and for me it was Monochrome and I've been a little listening to Monochrome very recently more off of my own video.

28:28 I really, really liked Monochrome the first time I heard it. Still like it. I guess it's the the boots staring indie thing in me, whatever you want to call it, that particular genre. But I've been looking back at that and realizing how fantastic it was, but not realizing it at the time. I know Angie has. Strong feelings for Monochrome as well. That song is right up there. It's it's such a special song. I heard it live for the first time. Just chill. I think Boycher Cafe Live and Fatal Live made those songs higher, you know, Elevate. Plus Wilbur dancing around to them and the Moves. And after seeing a couple of the shows, I know we're spoiled brats, you begin to, like, see the same moves come back as he is, like his routine.

29:26 Yeah. And you can. And as you're listening to the songs, you can picture it, too. I think that made a big impact seeing this this performance on stage for those two especially. Making me jealous again for. Sure. And baptism, of course. When Wilbur comes out, like shot out of a cannon, like jumping in the air, like shoot, it was like, all right, here we go. That was great. That's it. There was no he He had a guitar all the time at the London show. So yeah, he did his typical playing the guitar, moving around a bit. Do you think he looked nervous? I think they were nervous. I think Joe was drunk, I really do. If you look at some of the videos when he first came on, when he first put his guitar on, I thought you've had one too many.

30:21 But he still did it. Yeah. And I'm also wondering because of the technical difficulties they had for normal people things. You know, I think it was a celebratory. Night. I didn't notice it. Yeah, really didn't notice it. But. But were they nervous? Yes, because they had all the family and friends, all the girlfriends, everybody was there and. I think we should get into the lyrics part right. I mean I. Take a bit baptism. As I was, as I was going through these songs, I actually had a few moments of, Oh, yeah, how did I not think of that before? For this song, when Joe's talking about the baptism's over again, it gives you that feeling that, OK, this is happening over and over and over.

31:09 And what is a baptism? A baptism is supposed to be something that happens once, right? In, in biblical terms, it's washing you of your sin. I'm cleansed. I've paid the price. I no longer have this sin. Well, in this case, the person who is singing is saying I've paid my penance, I've been baptized, It hurts. It's only supposed to happen once and I'm supposed to be cleansed. But yet it keeps happening over and over and over again. How much is enough? When am I going to be clean from the sin? And that had a that had a little bit. I mean, that's I open.

31:55 That could be a little personal. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like this song is very personal. I feel like this song is him trying the character trying to reinvent themselves. Like like similar what Andy said, they want to make a new world, but they're not talking about like a whole world. They're talking about themselves. It feels like the character in this song doesn't trust themselves. They're they're not talking about someone else. They're talking about himself. It reminds me of, you understand, when you're older, the lyrics when it's like, you can tell he's lying because it's his lips move.

32:38 Lips always move. You can't. You can't tell that. But yeah, I've listened to this song 420 times. Loser. I'll, I'll tell you how much I've listened to the entire album at the end, but he's like, he's talking about a mirror. I've listened to messages in 400. Yeah, that's one times. I kind of run it already. Because you know, sometimes I take the when you see the music video, you kind of take it literally. So when he's like. I ignore the music videos when I'm coming up with theories. I feel like they're two different things. I I absolutely agree with that, yeah. Two different interpretations out of the the billions you can come up with.

33:23 Yeah. What you got, Leslie? Yeah. Well, no, because you guys blew my mind. So OK. But when he says I see someone else in my heart like these, I swear these lyrics like make my eyes feel up just saying them out loud because I feel like that's again, I can't help but picture it's be it's will himself, especially given we feel like this is personal song and given his experience that he's referring to, he knows he's someone. He knows he's not the person people are labeling him as. He sees someone else in his heart.

34:04 In his heart. He knows he's a good soul like A and I or however you want to say it. He knows who he is inside and that that line breaks my heart. I think each of these songs has a line or more that break my heart. But that was when I just wrote down going through this for this X, this exercise and no one's really mentioned that line yet. So that's why I'm bringing it up do. You need a tissue. No, that's good. That's good. Sorry. I know when I see my reflection, I don't see myself. I think that also had to do with, and this comes up later in another song, how he looked different when he was going through it.

34:53 He his appearance drastically changed and so he no longer like saw himself in the mirror, but in his heart he's still him and he knows who he is. And I just sorry, I just caught that on my on my chicken scratch pad here and had to bring them all righty pain display Cam loves this song and why? Yeah, I just like the Pebble brain vibe to it. I, I like, have almost no notes written down for this, but I like what what Wilbur said, according to lovejoylocal.net.

35:35 But it's like he said, modern life feels rented, even salvation. Like you don't own anything. Name. Name one thing you own. You don't own it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I've like no notes for. That what's so good about it. I love the music video and I like I picture it like I picture the elevator like bouncing like at certain points. Angie, what what you got? So I really love the line. You know, nothing's really lost. It's all just redistribution. And by the way, I love the way he says redistribution. It's so cool that light has a religious nod to it. Again, in the Bible, there's more than one example where it talks about you've been made from dust. You start out with dust, you end up as dust. And the Bible you uses dust a lot to symbolize, you know. Mortality.

36:26 Or maybe a better a better example is spiritual non religious. I think it was Carl Sagan. We are all made of Stardust. So again, you're made of Stardust. Eventually, you'll be back as Stardust. All we are is dust and. Go on. Yeah, yeah. Nothing's lost. It just gets shuffled around and I This is a great song to listen to on headphones. In the chorus. I really enjoy how the bass and the guitars, the three guitars, I guess right, all mashed together. It's, it's intricate. I enjoy that part. That's that's what I've got on pay and display. If you've all seen and I think we had it, I've posted the interview or the appearance of Lovejoy on a radio station dissecting this song, going through it that's out there on YouTube and way when Wilbur's standing there and he does that little bop to it.

37:31 I can't not do that bop or hear that now ever since seeing that clip. So check it out. It's on YouTube pain display. It's on the radio's channel. I posted a little clip of it on TikTok and all that. OK, but I think it's it's fun to watch. And I just wanted to like say, because the first time around we went through these lyrics six months ago, I don't know where I I had this idea that he was talking about suicide in the beginning. And I just wanted to say now that I no longer think that. So I don't know. I'm taking that away, taking that back just to to wrap up. I the part where he when Wilbur says, if you called me a bastard and I would effing like it. That's his continuing thread theme of self loathing, self deprecation that's in so many of his songs, especially a mammalian sign reflex.

38:28 It's just, it always breaks my heart because it's just even someone calling him a name and treat him like dirt. He would still like it, I guess, because he likes he'd at least be getting the attention from that person perhaps. Is it He's so numb to it. Right. He'll take whatever you're going to throw it in. Right. And that's just heartbreaking. And yeah, I'll leave it at that, that I'll leave that my interpretations there. And now we're on to Rob. And I know what I noticed on the album cover, the lyrics bit on the inside, they just call it Rob. I guess it was too long to fit, but I think it's cute that it's just Rob. Let's face it, we all call it Rob. It's true.

39:14 It's true. We all know what you're talking about. What song? I'm gonna. You dope. Did I fall right into that or what? Yes. Well, felt like he did at the end of the video. Boom boom. When Rob came out, I, I, I liked it. It, I didn't love, love, love it, And I think part of that is because I was unsure. I'm like, is this the the new sound? Is this? What is this what their stuff is going to sound like? Because it was pretty. It was pretty poppy, right? Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely a pop rock song, so I wasn't sure about it. Hearing it within the context of the rest of the album has allowed me to enjoy it a lot more. I like it now as a piece of the entire album puzzle. It does have a pop.

40:12 Punk kind of sound, a really catchy hook, a good melody. It's polished. It's still rock, but it's a little more accessible. I didn't realize how sarcastic some of the lyrics are. What is it? I was getting too tired. How did I look at it? About the app? Yeah. Yeah. About. Growing tired of the apogee. I was growing tired of the apogee that seems a little sarcastic, like, Oh yeah, you know, I was just, you know, getting ready to headline or play at Coachella. But you know, it's fine, you know? Yeah, I've got their rise to stardom sess. They were getting tired of it. So you know, they need to be knocked down. Yeah, Yeah, I had that written down as well, so.

40:53 So why don't you just go ahead and keep everything? I don't mind. You can keep my stereo. Go ahead. So it it has more of a sarcastic feel to me now than it did on 1st listen, but I appreciate it a lot more now than I did when the song was released. Very interesting. Like first lesson I had like a, a 1984 type feel with like, you know, the big man's got your vote and all that. Right. The big man, Big Brothers. OK. It's interesting. I was thinking, yeah, it does sound very sarcastic. I wrote that down. Actually sarcastic. Especially the apogee bit when he says lack of focus. Oh OK please be kind.

41:42 I felt was like Rob could equal karma. It's it's. A very different emotion, that line than than the rest. The sarcasm. Now he's just like, please, please be kind. And you know Rob's your only witness. Like they're watching. That's I like that, Yeah, I. Don't know that was my my take in this. I really do like that. Thank you. White Shark Cafe. Your lighting reminds me of White Shark Cafe Live. The background. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it works. Now you just got to jump around. Monday, jump around. No, no.

42:23 OK. Jump up. Jump up, dude. Down. I. Mean did the winding up thing he does. It's winding up, yes. Yes. Leaning back and winding. Up. Yeah, rub it in a bit more, why don't you? White Shark Cafe. What have we got here? What about you, Cam? I love the visuals for this. I love Kennedy announcing the space program and it going up into space and then coming back down with like the astronaut guy. I just, I love what? I just love old history and all that Kennedy stuff. And I know Wilbur does too.

43:07 Me too, Yeah, I like that. I love the visuals. They're so. Yeah. Oh, Groundhog Day. He's he's talking about I stay awake, miss every single day. They're all the same. They're all the same. They're all the same. They're all the same. It's like Groundhog Day. As well, Yeah, like he has insomnia each day, runs into the next. And especially that during the time where he was just wasting away watching videos on a laptop, right. Yeah, not going out. Yeah, exactly. Shock videos on the laptop. I always thought it says shark. I know there's been a lot of like disputing that if it's shark or shock, but I think it's now written. I think it's written.

43:51 It's like written down a shock. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And there's nothing better than you. Yeah. I love that so much. They have a lot of songs on here with big hooks, catchy melodies. This one is very steady throughout. It actually helps tie in the the lyrics and the meaning of the song. Because it's flat, it doesn't change. Everything is the same, right? You know, yeah, I get that. Yeah. Yeah. There, there's no big changes. Yeah, that's true. Lovejoy has a lot of songs like that where there's a lot of change UPS. The chorus, you know, common touch. The chorus is way different than the verses. I think that all helps convey the theme of the song. What Cam just said is, well, about the same, Same, same, same.

44:48 Yes, they've. Actually put that in with the the tone, yeah. I think White Shark Cafe is actually the antithesis to comment touch. Piqued my interest. The only other thing I want to add was just the whole part about like wasting way watching the videos on the laptop. Each day is the same basically, and that's saying that anything's better than the thought of you. He's miserable, but he still feels better off than being with that person was the take away I got from that. Just saying. Yeah, I, I, I think circuses and and puppet shows is probably a key phrase as well. Is, is that about the perception of how people see him, how he sees what he's like?

45:40 You know it's a circus out there on the Internet. That's true. It's very double sort of meaning type thing. I love all that stuff. I'm I'm just listening to you folks. It's just like, Oh my God, yes, Oh my God, yes, but I can't always come up with that myself, but I love listening and hearing it. It's it's good. It's. Interesting, right? Yeah, yeah, move on. A common touch because I want to know how you're going to tie it in, Angie. So if White Shark Cafe is about basically doom scrolling and being bored, being locked away like Howard Hughes, you're, you're sitting in your room, you have no human contact with anybody. You're just scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. It's it's like an addiction.

46:35 Yep. Common touch is like totally the opposite. And common touch is somebody desperately wants that personal connection, but it's so over stimulating and so overwhelming that they literally, figuratively need to Guild their hands. It's it's like touching a live wire to get out there and have contact with a real person. And even the instruments in the chorus. This is probably a bit of a stretch, but the instruments in the course are kind of like, they almost even sound charged, electrically charged.

47:18 So I feel like those two songs fit together, but they're like the opposites of each other. Or maybe in White Shark Cafe, the person gets sick of the doom scrolling, decides they're going to go out and want human contact, but it's way too much, way too overstimulating because they haven't actually talked to a real life person in forever. I like that but. Is it going on that theory? Is it the fact that OK, we now as a band have to get back out there? Do you like that? I don't know, Davey. Dave, you're getting it. You're getting it. Dave, but it's been explained, but yes.

48:01 It's getting in the mindset of like, thinking in that different way, right? It could very well be. Yeah, Is it that is it about getting back out there as well, trying to fix things by appealing to the people? I don't know it's that kind. Of meanwhile my my note was only about Teresa. I just love the way he says Teresa. I just love it and I feel like when he says effing Teresa, see why do I keep getting the cursed parts that I don't say? Is that? I think he's saying effing Teresa because he's like Teresa. Like I just remembered the name, the name that rhymes of Jesus Teresa. That's what I think that oh.

48:49 Jesus. I I want to I want to come back to this. Yeah, yeah, go Cam. It's. What name rhymes with Jesus? Teresa I feel like is the closest. It's a pretty name, rhymes with Jesus, Teresa because he says Teresa, Jesus. I feel like that's what it is. That's why he's like remembering it. Dave says no. Cam says no. Angie says yes. It's a girl versus guy thing, I guess. Yes, I think it's. So we're we're automatically. Right. Typical woman. We, we, It's Wilbur's feminine side that we're we're connecting with.

49:31 I think it's close enough match that it could be. I'm going to agree with Leslie, what else you guys got. You have a better. That's on my list of questions for Wilbur one day. Anything else before we move on, Dave? No perfect blue I'm going on I'm I'm going on Angie's theory of common touch Angie's theory on white shark common touch. Is this the next song in that light in the darkness? Is it an ode to the fans that stuck by the band? I don't know It did just sort of list listening to what Angie said this. Obviously they've put songs in order that they want to.

50:14 We know they've taken a couple of tracks out, but we'll if and when they go back in, will that tell that story even further? Will that fill in a gaps a bit like the Star Wars episodes answered questions, But I feel like this is I feel like this perfect Blue is is the follow on. He's he's come out, he's gone outside the door. And now is it a bit of a no to fans saying thank you to them? Get what I mean? I see it. I like it. Yeah, you know, on day one.

50:55 No, I get it. I totally get it. On day one, I thought this song was about a relationship, like a romantic relationship, and it's still very well could be, but it might not have to be. I'm. It feels more of like a loyalty thing now then romantic and it fits in with what Dave just said. And I used to think, OK, there's these lines think were that had a negative connotation, but maybe they're not the where it goes from from tit to teeth. You're numb, leaking smiles from a gasket slipped around your tongue. I always had like a really negative connotation with that.

51:37 Maybe it's just the visual, like a gasket slipped around your tongue. Sounds kind of nasty, right? But maybe it's not negative. Maybe it means that whoever this is like they're keeping quiet. They're not spilling the beans. They're keeping a secret. That was just some other, you know, and that would tie in with the whole loyalty or, or anybody else's. Leslie, sounds like you got something for this one too. I I love hearing people's ideas. This is fun. It's it's. I'd rather learn like this than sit in front of a screen listening, trying to jot words down. I got some ideas and I don't know if I watched them in the first the first time we went through these songs at all, but I just picture that, you know, I've got a pen and a napkin.

52:27 He's meeting. I'm sorry. I always kind of go back to the same storyline meeting this person that may be at a bar like let's freaking hash this out. What do I got to do here? I got here, I got a napkin, I got a pen. What what do I have to give you to like move on from this to to make a settlement agreement to settle? What do you want from me? Is what I was getting from that name a number you want. Like he just wants to move on and do whatever makes this person happy to be like done with them. I feel like plumbing the same dive bars is the dive bars are the the socials. I feel like it's the Twitter.

53:10 It's YouTube, the same dive bars. They're dive bars. The street from the Street View car, like seeing the page of the thumbnails on of all the YouTube videos is what I was picturing looking from the outside, not clicking in. That's what the Street View car is. You know, that's what I imagine it like social media for sure is what I I get from that. The person that they're talking, dealing with and trying to like wrap this relationship, whatever it may be up with. They're numb. They have no emotion, but they, you know, they can't help but smile now and then, even though they're trying not to. That's the gask smiles through the gasket around your tongue. And I just then it gets like a little sappy, right. It goes.

53:57 I wish we could have just like had a glass of wine and then I think wants to leave off with just remember the good days, the good old days. Remember when you used to say, please just stay one day more. Maybe that's that person that that's not so nice to them anymore used to say things like that, like, oh, I wish you could just stay an extra day. That's where I go with that. He's telling us, the audience to learn from him. Don't get yourself in this kind of situation. Don't try this at home because he did say it was to us in that recording that he made of him sitting with the guitar. I think it was on Reddit or somewhere he was looking at the camera.

54:39 He was looking, giving us a warning to not try this at home. That's my take. Who wants to go next? We're on to foxholes, aren't we? I have to say the line with your room temperature mimosa you forgot to Chuck tonight. I love that line and I don't know what the hell it means but just the visual I. Love the visual of it. Yes. In Brooklyn, I don't know if you caught this, I'm sure you did because I did too. And same brain cell. But he would go when he said Chuck, he would go like this Chuck, like he's throwing something. Yeah. And I just thought. That I had my two favorite lyrics with hearts next to him. So he already said the one and I feel like there's a guidebook that everyone can read, but I, I just. Love that.

55:31 The lyricism of that, the way he crafted that sentence, I adore. Yeah. And again, like the imagining this, actually, there's like this a guidebook. So I had that written down. And as well as the dagger, to me, the dagger line in this song is I wonder if it's fun to be emotionally bankrupt. It's like, whoa, I think it's like there's some anger here and I think that's a a dagger. And I think the room temperature mimosa is reflecting on the relationship and reflecting the like things that the person would do that would kind of like irk them, right? Leaving their drink out on the the counter, not cleaning up after. Himself.

56:12 Maybe it's love it. It's not a hot relationship, it's a room temperature. Relationship. Oh, Dave. Dave, I'm just listening to what you're saying. And then you kind of went and I thought, no, that's not. I was too. Literal. I was too literal and I like your take. And maybe it's actually this relationship is a tad room temperature. Yeah, because a mimosa is supposed to be sort of like a. Is it cold? Happy brunch, celebratory champagne thing. Sweet and celebratory champagne.

56:55 The sweet from the orange juice. And does it have ice? No, no, I can't drink. It's chilled. Off there. Oh bless. No, but Dave is right you. Have no idea. You took it. You took it to a. Whole other level. Dave, I'm proud of you. I'm impressed. I'm digging it. Love that, Dave. Nice. Dave, did you have is that was was that your big take or you just got? That was it. That's all I got because. No, but it's. Foxholes for me. More than enough. The only thing and and I can't escape this is Second World War soldiers diving in a foxhole with it playing in the background. That's.

57:35 Yeah, yeah. All, all I've got because I like a bit of Second World War history as well, and even down to foxholes. When we first heard it, back when it was played live and you're sat there trying, trying to listen to the lyrics, that's all I had and I can't escape that. No, I definitely like every time he says the line. Not no atheists in the foxholes. That's what I picture. Like it's dark, it's night time, it's raining, it's grungy in the. Yeah, running and diving. Into. A foxhole, that kind of thing. I've learnt more listening to you folks about that than what I can make out of my own. No, you me own. I love when you say.

58:18 That me mouse? No, but that makes sense that warfare visual is so strong in this lyrics. All right, all right. Fatal. Fatal. Oh, I want. To ask love, love this song. Yeah. Same. Album. Absolutely. Scoundrels Mother heartbreaker fatal. Yeah, another heart wrenching song. I actually made a note on this about is it just a multiple? I've put a multitude of relationships because you can read into whatever relationship you want to think about. Is it about getting back up and fighting on? Right.

59:07 Don't let it be fatal. Yeah, don't give in. And did you catch the visuals? I know, Dave, you didn't have the visuals at your show, but have you seen the clips of the visuals with the the man in the paddles and shocking them back to life? You got to see that. You got to look at a video of Fox of Fatal and see that. I I've only ever watched them once and not really took much notice because it was like it was all new and fresh. Do you know what I mean? I really can't get enough of this song. It just hits you, art. Yeah, I I dig it into the the line at the end, you know.

59:54 Oh, I said the last verse is gold and heartbreaking everyone. Yeah. Actually, I had a question for Angie as our resident Bible expert on Sinai's peak. He took my hand. Does that mean something? Mount Sinai, Sinai's peak? Yeah. Is there something you can really relate to? I knew it meant something like from the Bible. It does. Mount Sinai is Moses went up Mount Sinai and that's where God supposedly gave Moses the 10 commandments. Oh, OK of.

1:00:36 Course it was done. Did you think about that when you were thinking of this song and. Yes, I yes, I did. And that's one of my favorite lines known as the place where God delivered the 10 commandments to Moses and spoke to Moses in the in the burning Bush. So the story goes that there that he received the 10 commandments and then on the top of the mountain there was a literal Bush that was on fire and that was representative of God, and Moses could hear God speak. Through this. Fire. What do you think about the context of the song? I felt like AI felt like there was a lot of references to panic and Full disclosure, being someone who has had panic attacks in the past, it almost felt like the anatomy of a panic attack in a given situation.

1:01:34 Thoughts manifest in a wink. Insanity. It beckons again. Is this where the loud part begins? That spiral of panic is starting? And when it says too late to surface, watching the tide turn, I can't stop it. The spiral has started. I can't stop it. I know how it ends, but I still feel suspenseful. I've been through a panic attack. I've been OK every other time, but I'm still suspenseful because what if this is the one time where I'm not OK? And then where he says, you make it so hard for a boy to believe there's anything beyond what I think it I see. Like I can't see reality past the panic.

1:02:17 So that really kind of that really kind of jumped out at me and that's something I really didn't see before. Again, it's just my thoughts, but I think maybe, like I said, being someone who has experienced that before, it probably jumped out at me more than, you know someone who hasn't experienced that would because it feels familiar. I like that. I like. That I really. That really fits. That really makes sense. You're too good at this, Angie, aren't you? Yeah. I've only written a few notes, she says. Yeah, well, and she said she wrote more than she thought she would write. Death Box.

1:03:03 Death box, my beloved. Is that your favorite? This is your song. You best start then. I just love calling it the Leslie song. I never thought I'd love a song called Death Box. I had no clue what the heck a song called Death Box could sound like, but here we are. I love again the lyrics man, the lyricism. I love the play on words outstanding in your field, out standing in your field.

1:03:46 Love that. But baby, I'm on the fence. I like so instead of, you know, usually say like, oh, they're outstanding in their field of dentistry or something, right? But no, you're out standing in your field and he's on the fence. I literally picture like a scarecrow on the fence. He's a scarecrow on the fence. Yeah, you just. Dude, you're genius I never thought about. That's my picture and you know, no solace in the dollar. Basically money can't buy everything, can't buy your piece. When he says you found God, I got interred. Oh, that's so heavy and just I wrote the word lush. I didn't know else to have to describe that, but it's so good.

1:04:32 Not sure it's going to create what you intend to create. This might get a little dicey. This is where I think it's about you think what you're doing is going to bring you fame and success. And you know what? I'm not sure it's going to create what you intend to create. And, and when he talks about, you know, no solace in the dollar. I'm not going to fight you for a parking space. I'm not fighting you for ranks on YouTube or wherever or online space. I'm not fighting for it. You have all you want. I don't even care. The chorus. I wrote chorus, my beloved, because I love. Come on, girl, spit it out.

1:05:17 Of course. What is it? Things to do, people to see. I wrote. Oh, OK, come on girl, spit it out. The world is calling me because he has things to do, people to see, albums to make, tours to play. Let's go again. I have the napkin, I have the pen. Let's go. Hurry along and move it along. The double entendre with the elevator we were having a laugh at the other day in the girls chat. He wants to get off, but it's not his floor. OK, that's to me. That's a bit of humor right there.

1:05:59 You could hear that two different ways. If I knew I'd offer you, I'd give you mine. You know, basically, I, we could end this misery if I could just give you what I can give you my like freaking play button. I could give you my followers, my subscribers and this misery and this misery that's just been dragging on. That's how I see it. And I could be way off, but that's that's where my head goes that. Was see it this this song is such like a a deep personal song. It feels like you just described it perfectly. Thanks, I mean it may be my parasocial self that's doing it but.

1:06:42 Yeah, I have to ask you, does the intro in this song remind you of Planetary Go? Yes. From Danger Days. Yeah. It was like the first thing I thought was, oh, my gosh, it sounds like Planetary Go. But I love the intro, and I know Leslie loves the intro too. I just have a few thoughts. I think I might have said this before, but one of my favorite parts in this song is right around 3 minutes where you get the drums and they just get a little more menacing each time. It's, you know, it's like something's creeping up on you. And Leslie, a lot of the things that you said about feeling trapped and like, can we just get on with this? I felt that too. Like I had like basically one line of interpretation. I wrote, I am so done with this.

1:07:25 Can we just move on? Stuck, trapped elevator. That's what I had. Yes. Like he just wants to be done with it. So yeah, no, I agree with you. You said it so much more it. Probably does just want to get off the elevator. Detail but. But I like figure it the other way too, because I think it's funny. It's life without a little. Humor. Yeah. Yeah. Scoundrels. So for me at least, the the lions and I fall. Oh, I tend to fall sometimes, but I can't access heaven if I tried.

1:08:08 I think going back to My Chemical Romance, the whole album of three Cheers for Sweet Revenge is about these two people who die at their wedding. But this he the guy makes a deal with the devil to kill 1000 evil men or 100 evil men. And when he to see his wife again because she's in heaven and he's an owl and he, he kills the 99 people and then realizes because he killed those 99 people, he's the 100th person. But he can't die because he's already dead.

1:08:51 So he'll, he has to accept that he'll never see his love again. And I just I feel like that that resonates with this song, the character, he'll never reach someone who is so angelic because going back to one of the other songs, it's like about the devil would would love to meet her because he can't because she's so like pure. And I just think that's what it's about, the characters. You know, that's funny, Cam. I can't remember which song it was on this album, but I had compared one of the songs to the actual Demolition Lovers songs, which the Demolition Lovers are. It's basically the colloquial name of the two people that Cam was just talking about.

1:09:45 So I get you there, Cam. Yeah. That's a good take. Cool. See, now you make me want to listen to some MCR. You should. I just had down because I, I can't let go of this theme. The sponsors and, you know, all our friends I think he's talking about. Yeah. You know fellow online. Friends. Friends in the same Yeah, to attract a national brand. So it's like they're selling out or Yeah, they claim to have these morals and values, but they just have enough just to fit on a postcard and to an insult to injury obscured by a stamp.

1:10:29 It's just so poetic. I wrote poetic. Yeah, yeah. I just think that that is a story right there all in itself, and it that that's the picture it paints for me. It's very true to life. His life is what I see in. That yeah, it's dig at the online community. Yeah, but I think not just yet, right? I think it's a dig at someone in specific, and I won't say it. Yeah. Yeah, I just have a little bit on scoundrels. Not much. Yeah, Of Scoundrels is my favorite song on this album. This is a barn burner scorcher of a song in in a couple of different ways.

1:11:10 It it feels very self flagellating. It's it's just raw. This is a raw song. Yeah. So Angie would the would would the rockiness that the heaviest heaviness does that convert to something like anger, frustration, being heavier, more scrap, shoutier? You know, that's a good question. It's like, like I said, it feels raw. And I don't know if that rawness converts to anger or frustration, but I feel like it is coming from the deepest place inside of him that maybe we've possibly seen on this entire album.

1:11:56 And I think that could be a reason why it's so heavy. There's just he's, he's bearing the weight of so many things. And that's the way in which it's manifesting itself. And he even talks about building a viewing platform just to watch it burn. You know, everything's burning around tonight, like. The lyric. Just. Kills me, kills me, but it's so good. It kills me though and I love I could see the woods if not for all these epic trees. Why don't they close? I love that too, but I love that line so much. 'Cause you like it when Wilbur swears. It's really good.

1:12:43 I can't you. Feel it. You feel when he's. Oh yeah, the yes, the emotions. It's like the end of the fall. This this part feels like. Yes, I love the sweary parts. I know you do. I yell. The sweary parts. I know you do. Releases the anger and the frustration. Yes. I'm not saying I don't in the privacy of my own car or something. Oh tut tut tut. We knew it. I expected more singing God.

1:13:25 But then, OK, let's get. To the end, despite anything he might ever say or do or how he may succeed, is always going to be a scoundrel. I think he feels like he's never going to shake this. Ever. No. Matter how big he gets, it's always going to come back to this. Yeah, it's always going to be in his bio somewhere. Yep, Yep. Pisses me off. Next real monochrome. Monochrome. Oh, monochrome. Love it. What an ending to like a incredible album. Yeah, it needed it. It like it's perfect.

1:14:07 It's a perfect ending. Like you said. It's like ending what you couldn't end with any of these other songs. It had to be like. It had to song. It's epic. It is an epic, sweeping song. Am I right in thinking with the endings you have is monochrome on the encore and the is it the full? Oh, like in the shows? Yeah, in the shows, because the four was a very good ending. Yeah, it's. And now Monocrome is a very good ending, am I? Right. Fall was the encore, the last song. All right, so Monocrome is first, and then the Fall is the encore. Yeah, 2 great endings.

1:14:54 But the setlist changed, so it wasn't always like that. They didn't always play them in order. I think in Chicago we got them in order, right? Is that the Chicago setlist? That's Chicago. Yeah, yeah, we got them in order, but there were other shows that did not get them all in order, like Monochrome was maybe third or fourth from the end. Yeah, I have mine right. I don't think they've ever not ended ended, ended with the fall. Yeah, I think they want to end with end of the bang and not like a. Somber. Somber thing. Leave you wanting more. Yeah. Like, yeah.

1:15:35 Make sure your hearings really gone. Your voice is really gone. Yeah, yeah. So back to monochrome. Yes Sir. What do we think? I wrote beautiful. I love. Yeah, Yeah. Haunting, I wrote. You know, hauntingly beautiful. Especially the ending. I love how it steps down. I'm doing the wrong tone, but I mean yeah. Oh, but then like the pitching preen and carnivore, like you know what he's talking about. Again, self loathing wishes to be rust or broken glass at least.

1:16:17 Like those are useful in some way. But he's just in the middle. He's neither here nor there. He's useless. Like, again, he's down on himself. And if, oh, and if take me with you, Oh, my goodness. There's like a whole minute of if you have, if if you have to leave tonight, would you take me with you? Yeah. It's so good. He's so good. The the world needs to hear these songs. The world needs to hear these songs. I love Reddit imagery in this song. It's got such a noir type of feel to it, you know, I mean, obviously with the name Monochrome, but can't you just like hear these lyrics and then just picture everything in your mind? It's just, it's gorgeous.

1:17:04 And I love the line. I, I feel like this line is so ironic. And I'll pretend that I'm not set alight by cadence. I love that line because one of the things for this song that just gets me, that has me in a chokehold, is the cadence of the way he sings the verses. It's like, yes, yes, it is. And you know, it's so great that it's the end of the album. I love it. And it's really sad in a way that it's the end of the album because we've gotten all the way through this and there's still no resolution for this person. The protagonist is, you know, they're still stuck, they're still uncertain. They're still grappling with all these things.

1:17:46 I haven't gotten anywhere. It's still the same old, same old. So, yeah, it's sad. But like you said, it's Leslie. I think you said this. It's hauntingly beautiful. And I think that as a whole, it's why most people don't understand that they don't that I haven't heard the songs. I just know I play the same songs in the same album over and over again is because of the imagery. It's always interesting. It's always you're always picking up on a nuance or a play on words you and just like pictures. It's like picturing a your favorite movie over and over.

1:18:27 You're picturing like the scenes and the things happening and just the way he says the words and the way he says them. I don't know. That's how I I know Angie. You feel like that a lot. You pick up on the bass and stuff, I pick on the drums. Like everybody has their thing that that's that pulls them in. But he's a genius in that we all get so much out of it, out of each song. He that's how I feel. He really is. And it's funny that you say bass, because I was just going to say that this song is a perfect example of the bass really pulling through some of that imagery.

1:19:08 Right before the chorus, when it's just Ash playing is where you get sort of that darkly alluring feeling and it continues through the verse. And I know, guys, I've said this 100 million times, but Ash Kubosu does not get enough credit. Ash Kubosu is a bass playing God and he should get so much more credit than he does. His sound has really contributed to Lovejoy's signature sound in its own. Just having that bass in there so. That's right. And it's I'm glad you said that because I that was a bit of attachment. But yeah, no, no, that's good because I harp on the I do harp on the lyrics a lot at the drums. I adore.

1:19:59 I love playing along with the drums in my car, hitting everything and because of being a. I'm sweating of some sort. Oh, swearing. You'll never load that down. No, I guess not, but yeah. They're. All former drummer I the drums like get to me like you. The bass gets to you and your daughter and plays. What about you Dave? I want to hear more of your monochrome take if you have any. I I just love it. I just sit there and it's this whole boot staring shoe gaze ending brings me back the whole for me, the whole song is kind of made mean and Moody.

1:20:45 A mean, Moody shoe gaze delight. Oh, I like it. I love that. I feel like we all each have come up with sort of like little like tag lines you'd see in a movie review. Right now. We need cams. That's. What I was picturing in quotations. You mean Moody shoegaze delight? Dave, awesome closing thought for you. If the situation didn't happen, what sort of album would we have gotten? Oh. A big boom boom boom boom boom. Like very exciting album. Like normal people.

1:21:26 Things I was going to say. More like normal people things. Either that or a calmer album like Sober was. That makes sense too. They both make sense. Tell us your thoughts. Just can't imagine if this situation didn't happen. What happened? You do you know what I mean? I know and you wonder what was what was written pre February exactly? What was scratched? What was that's? What I want to know? How much is from then? Or do they scrap, scrap it all, start over again and even with sober. Because every single, yeah, every single song on this album is about the situation around the situation. We can surmise, or that's how we interpret it, or that's what it certainly seems like.

1:22:24 We do know for a fact that everything involving the album was after. I believe they said they were going to release another EP, but they just completely scrapped all of it. That's. Right. There's only there's only like 1 lyric that made it through which was I'm afraid I broke a string and everything else is is brand new. From my understanding a brand new. That's right, yeah. I heard that they had scrapped a whole EP, but I didn't know when that was. That's interesting. Yeah, it was.

1:23:06 Like an ironic line to keep. Yeah, that's my understand. I like I've that's what I've heard from from like different outlets. OK kind of related, does anyone have trouble listening to you sober without getting like stressed out? I can't really listen. I I'll. Play I love you sober. But it makes me sad because it's that year and. It's it's the end of the era. And I.

1:23:48 Untimely end. I feel like by the time it came out they didn't even want to. I think I had. To release it for whatever reason. Because they teased it forever. They did all the right things that you're supposed to do. Tease a song 20 times before you release it. And then all hell broke loose. And I feel like it was kind of a shield. It was, it was this wall to put so it would catch all the negativity so the album would be able to breakthrough. That's what it found to me. Sorry. That was really loud that. Was a good that's a good take that's a good take and I'm you know it's good they did that actually it's convenient that they had that shield then because. For me.

1:24:36 And a music video in the tank, you know? Yeah, I don't remember like seeing anything relating to it until it released. I wasn't on Twitter at the like. I didn't. Oh, OK. Yeah, they teased it a lot. Not a little like after the situation, like they come around in the situation. No, they were radio silence. Sorry. Andrew just dropped it on a random Wednesday. Yeah, or Thursday. It was Wednesday. Thursday. Yeah, it was super random. I. Well, well, nothing's more than an MSR. Well, thank everybody. Thank you all for joining us. Thank you so much for letting. Your thoughts in the comments? We love it so much thank you for listening as always, be sure to follow all the Lovejoy nation social, especially TikTok. Please LVJY nation just like every other channel, almost 8800 followers trying to get 10,000 and we have a great prize giveaway courtesy of Angie once that milestone is reached. So please, I please and thank you and. Thank you, Cam.

1:25:50 Thank you. So much for your this was a dream come true. This has been awesome. See that approval? That's how I've been here for. That's how I've. Been stamp of approval. Yes. Thanks for coming, Cam. It was great to have you.