April 22, 2026
20. JUMBO Episode! Happy 6-Month Anniversary One Simple Trick!
Lesley, Angie, and Dave welcome Lovejoy super fan Cam from Detroit to the podcast to discuss Lovejoy's debut full-length album on the 6 month anniversary of its release.
Listen as Cam and the Pebble Brain Trust dissect the lyrics, meanings, and cover art during the JUMBO-sized episode, leaving no stone or song unturned.
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Hello, we are Lovejoy and you
are listening to the Lovejoy
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Podcast.
Hello Lovejoy Nation podcast.
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Hello love and joyers.
Facts are coming.
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One simple trick.
Lovejoys full length debut album
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6 months old.
Yay.
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Now we're going to dig in, dig
into it, revisit it at the last
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time we talked about it was when
it first came out.
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We had jotted down our initial
impressions of the album and
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went through the songs.
So then now we're going to sort
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of revisit with our feelings and
thoughts have changed from then
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and to now and spend some time
on the lyrics of each song and
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different interpretations we've
come up with since we've had
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this long to listen to it over
and over and over and over
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again.
Yeah, awesome.
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OK oh, but before we do that,
Cam, we're just taking, you
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know, you've been sitting here
such a gentleman.
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Cameron from Detroit, MI Detroit
Red Ring fan.
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Been a Wilbur fan since
2019-2020 SMP Live.
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Oh yeah.
Your most recent Lovejoy gig was
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in Detroit in the fall.
Anything else you would like to
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share?
I loved there's always good in
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the band and the good that
happened was when the band gets
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smaller they feel more connected
and I just loved being able to
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meet like my my 4 idols.
Ma.
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It was it was the coolest
experience of my life.
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I have to agree with that was
like an an emotional amazing fun
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most fun time ever it.
Was it was the best concert I've
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ever been to.
And that that's coming from an
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unbiased standpoint, as unbiased
as I can be.
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Right.
But I think I know what you
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mean.
Like I think we've maybe spoken
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about this and I don't know if
Dave possibly as well.
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I'm trying to remember when
these conversations have
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occurred, that there was a
period of time where we were
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worried about our little, silly
little band getting too big.
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And, you know, we'd be happy for
them, but we were afraid they're
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getting too big.
And then you know.
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Things happen too quick.
Yeah, big, fast.
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That's true.
And.
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Given that it's sort of like
starting over a bit in their
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life cycle, maybe this we
wouldn't have had this
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opportunity for meet and greets,
these intimate venues if things
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had been different.
Yeah.
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So selfishly, it's a good.
Point.
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Yeah.
Luxury went from zero to
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3,000,000 monthly listeners in
like 2 days.
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It was, it was wild.
And it was just really like I
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remember crying when I couldn't
get a ticket to my first to the
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first concert until they
upgraded and it was just like it
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was, it was really, it was a
really anxiety like anxious
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experience.
But now that everyone's like
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closer together, it, it feels
great.
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I, I love, I love this band and
everyone, everyone that's still
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a fan loves the band.
And we've been lucky, fortunate
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enough to see them over the
years.
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And I think we can all agree, or
we can agree that the these
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latest shows, this latest tour
has been more fun, more like
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energetic, exuberant, exciting
than ever before.
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I think having Wilbur put down
that guitar for some of the
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songs and just seeing his joy
and confidence made us just like
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it was.
Just making me jealous because.
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Yeah.
I am waiting.
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Hey, hey, you've got to hear it
before everyone.
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Right.
And that was a tiny little bar.
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Yeah, I mean, that goes into the
first listening experience.
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Yes, 250 people, friends and
family, everybody behind the
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scenes were there.
And it was a very, very special
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moment.
I'm not, I'm not going to lie.
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But was it the gig that you
folks are talking about?
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It was not riotous.
It was not jumping around hot
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and sweaty.
It was.
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You didn't even know any of the
lyrics at that point.
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No.
It was just that's it, you know,
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they played Rob.
Yeah, we all know this one.
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So it was a totally different
experience.
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Yeah, but you know, it's coming,
so that's exciting too to look
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forward to.
You'll get it, Dave.
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OK, it's happening.
It's.
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Happening.
It's happening and if I win, if
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I win some like major award of
pot of money, I'll be over there
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too, don't forget.
About me too.
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You're going to split it, right?
Yeah.
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I'll throw you 1000.
So overall thoughts on Wincible
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Trick then versus now.
So where was your first?
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We've talked about when we first
listened to the album so, but we
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haven't heard from Cam on that.
So how did you first hear the
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songs?
Hear the album?
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So I was in bed like getting
because I had school the next
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morning at 6:00 and I was so
excited to hear it I literally
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could not fall asleep.
So I waited and listened to it,
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and then I listened to it again,
and then again, and then finally
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went to bed.
So you were a midnight listener?
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Oh yeah, definitely cool.
Did you have?
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Headphones or out loud you heard
it.
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I had headphones, there's no way
I would risk that.
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Angie had the headphones.
Too.
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I did that too I I was a
midnight listener with
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headphones as well.
In here till like 6:00 that
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night actually, because I was
weird.
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Really.
Yeah.
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I waited to listen with my
daughter.
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So we put on the YouTube and saw
like the watched it through
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YouTube with the little like
videos going on the screen, you
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know, of all the instruments and
Wilbur.
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Yeah.
And I took my notes for this
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podcast at that time.
That whole day must have been
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torture, not trying to listen to
it.
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No, I was just excited, looking
forward to it.
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It's like, you know, it's
coming, so.
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Yeah, I, I could message in the
group chat.
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Oh my God.
And it's like, I haven't
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listened to it yet.
And then we're all like.
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I didn't want to listen to it,
like, like on my work computer,
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little speaker, you know, I
wanted to just do it proper, sit
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in my living room, comfortable
after dinner, like, just soak it
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in.
Yeah.
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That makes sense.
I would have sat in the car and
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done it at lunchtime, yeah.
My daughter got me into the
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band, so I wanted to experience
it with her.
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Yeah, whether she liked it.
Did you listen from the start
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all the way through or did you
skip a couple that you already
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knew and go to this?
My very first listen I I
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listened to the whole album but
only 5 seconds of each single
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and then I skipped it and then
did that for the rest of the
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ones and then the second list
and I listened to it all the way
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through.
OK.
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That's interesting.
Interesting year strategy for
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that.
I like that, yeah.
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It's curious just to, you know,
because I went straight to Death
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box.
That's the first one I listened
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to because I'd listened to
everything else.
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Oh, they didn't play that one.
They didn't play that.
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That's right.
So I went straight to death box.
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So it's good to get somebody
else's point of view of how or
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did they skip the first couple
of tracks?
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Did they skip the tracks that we
knew?
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You know, I want to want, I want
to know why.
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And it may just be a technical
reason why they didn't play
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Death Box in London.
Was it?
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Yeah.
It's curious choice, was it how
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we don't have the right
equipment to?
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Add it to the list of questions
you want me to ask.
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Along with our gifts.
And I'll just print that off
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forum and say, yeah, carrier
bags full of gifts and a file of
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questions underneath my arm.
That's why you have to go to VIP
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twice.
Once for us, once for you.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Oh, you're back again.
Yeah, Yeah.
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He'll be thrilled.
So Cam, was there a an instant
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favorite on your first listen
and is it still your favorite?
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My jaw dropped at the first like
3 seconds of baptism because
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there was just like boom, that's
that's the album.
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But my favorite was still Common
touch.
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Like that's just been my
consistent favorite.
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Everything besides it has been
up and down like my list.
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That's.
But yeah, that's.
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So real.
It was, it was.
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It was always common touch.
Because I totally agree with
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you, that first little part of
baptism.
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Feel like I've been baptized by
the band.
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See.
You need that shirt.
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You need my shirt then.
I know I was.
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I was about to buy it today and
then I realized I just spent all
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my money on a baseball game.
Get your priorities right.
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Yeah.
So interested to know whether
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Leslie, Angie, whether your
favourites has changed?
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I guess I can't say that they
have like I have like a White
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shark Cafe day where I just
cannot get enough and I'll have
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a common touch day of his
recent.
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I must have played it like 20
times in a row.
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So like that sort of thing.
But my like fave fave from the
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get go has always been Death
Block.
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That one does get stuck in my
head the most.
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I think I was too overwhelmed at
first to have a favorite,
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although exactly what Cam said
that that that first part of
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baptism, and I think it was just
because it was the first song on
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the album.
I was like, what in the heck is
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this?
Oh my gosh, in a good way.
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I'm going to say that reaction
is how I felt listening to Come
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On Girl Spit it Out.
I was like, what?
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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he went there.
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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I have favorites now.
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I I thought I was crazy when I
first.
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Really good.
It's so good and it's so just
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straight to the point good.
It's almost like, did he really
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say that?
I can't believe he said that.
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Yes, he said it and I love it.
It's great.
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And.
Did anything surprise you on
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your first listen to the album?
1st.
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Apart from the news.
Vibe.
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The real like the vibe in All in
all honesty, I was hoping for
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like a full Pebble brain type of
like like music, but if that
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makes sense.
But like I was really like
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pleasantly surprised with it's
more alternative rock.
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Yeah, that's even though it's
always been classified on
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Spotify as alternative.
But like that it felt more more
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rough as in beat you up rough,
not like bad rough.
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Right.
I'm not sure if I explained that
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right, but you get the point.
Well, Angie has a good way of
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explaining.
Like a metal, heavy metal, sort
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of, yeah.
But like sound you always
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describe.
Yes, yes, that that's what I'm
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talking about.
Yeah.
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Like it makes me want to get in
a fight.
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Yeah, yeah, because I find I
listen to, I've been listening
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to Alt Nation more because
that's where Lovejoy has always
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been.
That's always been its home on
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Sirius.
But those songs just seem too
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soft and they don't feel feel
like they fit there anymore.
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But they're still, they're
always classified as
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alternative.
So I'm not sure where else they
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would belong.
I left another station is more
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fit.
But the whole, I mean, we, we
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could talk for hours just on the
alternative genre, you know, you
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say they don't fit, but then
next thing you know, you're
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listening to The Cure, you're
listening to Susie and the
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Banshees, Depeche Mode.
It all still fits.
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I guess today's alternative
isn't the same, I guess, Cam, do
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you see what I mean?
Like I think R.E.M.
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Maybe was more like what Lovejoy
is now or that Chili Peppers
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like 92.3 K Rock was the station
we had in New York that.
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Was those kinds red Hot Chili
Peppers?
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Stone Temple Pilots like those
were all considered alternative,
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but now it's not what you hear
on alternative stations.
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Yeah, yeah, with the chilies,
you know you've got blood sugar.
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Sex magic very much rock.
Yeah.
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And then you've got
Californication, which is a lot
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older and and and slower.
Every band does change.
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There are songs on OST that
would fit into Pebble.
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The Pebble Brain kind of thing.
Yeah.
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They are a little different, but
you could slot them in.
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Yeah, I feel like it's more,
Yeah, yeah.
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It's more similar to Wake up
when It's over with, like
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Portrait and Warsaw.
Yeah, I see that.
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Yeah.
A little bit heavier, not so
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like poppy sounding.
Yeah, yeah.
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Perfect, perfect explanation.
Which is why I suspected that
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this might be possible, not
impossible, that they might
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decide to do a name change.
Because I've met people and when
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I say the band's Lovejoy, they
think like, very poppy, like
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happier, almost like.
Yeah.
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Than what it is, but maybe they
like the juxtaposition of it not
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sounding like.
Yeah, like I feel like switching
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from the cat to the ghost was
them trying to say, hey, we're
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we're more hardcore than we used
to be.
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Or like, not scary, but like, I
don't know.
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How it's heavier?
Like, like, yeah, like that.
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His lyricism calls for it, too.
It's not just bubble gum pop
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music.
Yeah, because I'll admit, when I
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first saw the cover of I'm like,
Oh my gosh, are they going to
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become a metal band or
something?
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But I've I've grown to love the
cover.
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I got LED to sign my vinyl.
Cool.
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Oh, because she designed, she
drew it, she made it or
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whatever.
That's cool.
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This is probably a hot take.
Indie music is not my thing.
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I I gravitate towards muddle.
So what about grunge?
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I I like grunge, it depends on
how heavy the grunge is.
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And I know Lovejoy like with
wake up but it's over.
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There was there was clearly some
grunge influences in there which
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I liked.
I mean scum hello full of grunge
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normal people.
Things.
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Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes.
And, and there's a reason why
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some of my favorite Lovejoy
songs are those heavier songs.
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So for me, it's been fantastic
to watch them evolve into this
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sound because this sound happens
to be what I like.
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And I I still obviously love
their older stuff.
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That's what got me hooked on it,
even though it wasn't typically
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my thing.
But I love the direction they've
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gone.
I really like like what they've
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done too.
It's kind of like a reverse of
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what My Chemical Romance did
because I never liked like,
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Danger Days is good, but it's
just nothing like what they used
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to have.
And I think it's kind of the
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opposite of what Lovejoy did.
Even though I love all of
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Lovejoy's songs, I can't name, I
can only name one I'm not super
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big on, which is Golden Hour
somewhere.
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I can't even think of it.
It's never in my mind.
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I do not like that song.
That's the first one I'd listen
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to on repeat like a million
times in a day.
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That's funny.
I just I like singing with this.
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It doesn't scratch my brain like
everything else does.
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No, but.
That's what's interesting.
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I love this.
There are a few that I don't
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love.
Actually.
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This.
Yeah, perfect blue for me, you
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know.
Despite your like.
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Oh, me too.
Actually, I think that I'm that
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marked as my least favorite
besides the visuals.
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OK, well let me just go back
real quick because I just had a
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thought, Cam, because we've
talked about this before too.
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Were you concerned before
hearing the new album?
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Were you like, worried for this
album?
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Absolutely, absolutely.
We worked.
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I was.
So when I saw that little romp,
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I'm like, oh, I hope it's not
What?
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I just don't want them to
immediately change like genres.
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I just like, like I, I didn't
think it wouldn't be.
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We didn't think it wouldn't be
good.
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But there's just so much riding
on it that it was scary.
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Like it was scary.
And I'm like, they must be so
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scared.
If we're feeling anxious, they
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must be, unless they're just so
confident.
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I also I was scared when I heard
the initials were going to be
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OST because I thought they were
going to name it Original
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Soundtrack.
Yeah.
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Just like everybody else, that's
all it was.
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It was very, very clever when he
dropped OST because all people
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could think about was original
soundtrack.
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And once that's lodged in your
brain, it, it was difficult to
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you know what, what else does it
mean?
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But soon as it was one simple
trick, it was like.
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How did we not think to that?
Yeah, I hadn't really heard that
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expression before, to be honest.
Like I get what they're what it
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means, but I didn't, it wasn't
like a in my vernacular, but so
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I didn't didn't resonate with me
in that way.
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So.
When I heard it was one simple
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trick, I was thinking of like
those those like ads I'd play on
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like right before like SpongeBob
plays.
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It's like a medicine and it's
like 1 simple trick with this
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one simple tablet, right?
To make you lose a billion
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pounds in 40 minutes.
Yeah, yeah.
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Because apparently like there
are some advertisers that do
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actually use that terminology,
which I worry sometimes when I'm
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putting in my hashtags because
you hashtag one simple trick.
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I'm sure there's like a
bazillion not look to related.
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Yeah, different main, you know.
You know, just like there's
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multiple Lovejoy bands, there's
multiple things that were are
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referred to as one simple trick.
So in a way, I wish it was a
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little bit more truly.
There's unique in that so that
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when you hashtag it, it's.
Yeah.
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It's not all over the place, but
we were going to talk about the
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visuals We had.
This is the cover done by
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Elodie.
We had the fox, the whiskey
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glass, the finger gun.
Yeah, initial impressions on
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all, on the graphics, on the
artwork.
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The fox made me sad.
With the Bunny right had the.
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Bunny.
Yeah, well, I didn't know what.
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Go ahead.
Heck, the cover was.
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Yeah, First I thought it was
Mark.
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I thought it was Mark maybe in
his ghost costume.
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Yeah.
And I'm like, oh, it's, it's
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married.
Or a nun.
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Yeah, the album looked like a
nun and a nun.
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Yeah.
And then soon as somebody it
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looks like a horse, all I can
see is a horse.
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Oh horse.
I see this is the snout and
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that's the eye.
Oh my God, me, it's a horse.
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Yeah.
And then I thought is is it
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somebody wearing a horse's head?
Do you know what I mean?
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Can you?
You've only just seen the horse.
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Yes, I.
Always.
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Yeah, I just saw I can't.
Get away from these nostrils
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because how does a sheet over
your head have nostrils?
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Yes.
See, this is Ash's goatee and
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that's his nose and that's his
eye, and then this thing right
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here, See, these are like his
fingers and he's got this rubber
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glove on because he's doing the
dishes.
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I don't know.
I think it's a nun.
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The more I thought about it, I'm
like.
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Maybe that's the point.
Maybe that's the point is for
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everybody to is for it not to be
clear what it is.
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Yeah, like I say, originally I
thought it was a nun.
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Now I'm questioning everything.
Nun leaning back with the habit
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kind of falling.
I really see the horse though
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too.
Yeah.
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Yeah, that weird thing.
Out now, so I'm sitting
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somebody.
Staring at this now, isn't it?
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He's a horse.
It's like the duck rabbit
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optical illusion, but yeah.
But I think it's a non or the
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Virgin Mary.
I thought this was like a goat,
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like a sheet, like someone in a
ghost costume that's a sheet.
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But then I couldn't understand
why there'd be nostrils.
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Like you wouldn't see the
nostrils in the eyes so clearly.
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Well, and the mouth, you see.
Our mouth straw pad, it really
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throws you off.
I like the other like the other
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ghost I think is like cuz I like
it cuz it's a cutesy.
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Like when I decorate for
Halloween, I like the cute
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decorations, not scary ones.
So I like the ghost that's like
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their Spotify ghost.
It's more like Pac-Man kind of
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cute.
And Mark's drumhead.
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Ghost.
Is that the same one right?
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I I like the analog horror
thing, I'm all in for the
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visuals, but the album cover is
definitely up to interpretation
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and I think maybe that's part of
it actually, having thought
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about it a little more.
Yeah, absolutely.
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Nobody really knows what it is.
They have done their job because
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we have four or five different
theories drop down.
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But like, that doesn't look like
a person's face though.
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Now you're confusing me.
Do you think that looks like a
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person's face?
Yes.
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They're laying back.
The nostrils are huge.
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What is it?
That's because.
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We're looking like how big man.
But the mouth's like, not mouth.
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I think it's a mustache.
It's all jaggedy.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
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Yeah.
We're all just.
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Like this is what?
Oh, here we go.
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Yeah.
See.
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Oh, it's more like that.
It is more like that.
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It's.
Like you need to do that again.
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Yeah, so the face is covered.
Yeah, do it again, Cam.
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On there for about 5-5 or 10
seconds.
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Oh, this is going to be our
thumbnail.
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This is perfect.
Everybody react.
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There you go, you can stop now.
That's right.
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Like you'd be sucking in the the
the cloth in your mouth to make
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it look like that.
Yeah.
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And then pushing up your
nostrils.
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That's probably what they did.
Oh my gosh.
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Their nostrils.
Yeah.
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Oh, that sounds painful.
Somebody knows the help?
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Oh, they painted their face
white.
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That could be.
But their face is cloth.
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Over here, what do you I don't
understand what you're.
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Their face is.
This is.
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Cloth or it's a statue.
It's a whole.
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Origin Mary statue.
How put the worst because I
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can't Unsee it.
What you say my brain hurts now?
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You got to explain people this
delivering thing if they're
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listening for the first time.
I work for a big brown delivery
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company and I was out delivering
and a fox jumped out of a litter
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bin.
Oh no, with a chicken in its
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mouth.
Cooked chicken.
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I.
Just stood there and he just
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looked at me well and it was
just like the front cover.
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Oh.
I did get a picture, but not of
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the angle I would have liked to
have done he.
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Didn't pose for.
You.
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No, he didn't.
I looked at him, got the phone
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out and then he was like
crunching on bones.
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So.
There's song Cam that and I
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guess this for all of us that
grew on you that maybe at first
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was just, oh, it was good, but
now it's like really?
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Perfect blue.
Oh, I I thought it was kind of
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mid at first, but then I'm like
wow, this is pretty good.
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Perfect blue.
For me it was White Shark Cafe.
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Everybody's going, I think White
Shark Cafe as well, and I agree
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with you there.
So then, Dave?
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What do you say?
Scoundrels.
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Scoundrels.
Scoundrels is really scoundrels.
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Not from the bottom, but
scoundrels First initial lesson
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properly scoundrels was above
Rob and things like that.
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But now Scoundrels is joint top
for me with monochrome.
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Monochrome is my least listen to
song.
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Oh wow.
OK.
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Is it because it's mellow at the
end and you want more?
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Like the heavier faster?
Stuff.
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I'm not sure.
I think it's because I like, I
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have the actual number here.
I think it's just because it's
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the end of the album and like, I
don't want to listen to you know
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what?
Yeah, it's the least listen to
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on Spotify as well.
I noticed that, Yeah, really.
454
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,840
And it's probably the same
reason I'm guessing.
455
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Sure.
Yeah.
456
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Very, very interesting.
This Dave can't answer this
457
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,400
necessarily.
Sorry Dave, but trust to move us
458
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,480
along.
Is there a song that live hooked
459
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,160
you in that seeing it live was
like made it even better.
460
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,840
An even better song, but change
the experience for you.
461
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720
I can answer that.
OK, OK.
462
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,840
Go.
Ahead, Foxholes.
463
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560
The Joe Solo.
I love Joe.
464
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Yeah.
That was so amazing to hear
465
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:11,200
you've had more parts.
I I'm a an OG Foxholes fan since
466
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760
first heard it and I was
concerned, Not that I was
467
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,720
concerned that Joe wouldn't do a
good job, but I loved Wilbur
468
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,440
doing the end.
So it took me a little to get
469
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,080
over that change.
But I still love love love love
470
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Foxholes.
It's right up there, right next
471
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,320
to the death box.
It was wild because Summerfest
472
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,400
is the first time I remember
them making that change.
473
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,880
And just hearing that for the
first time is like, whoa.
474
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:51,960
It I I love, I love that Joe.
It has a bit more of a prominent
475
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,400
role in his vocals, but that's
neither here nor there.
476
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,840
That's a different topic.
So I won't talk about that.
477
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,000
White Shark Cafe for me, White
Shark Cafe again.
478
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:07,080
I think hearing it live really
helped me enjoy it so that I
479
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,120
didn't like it before but I love
it now.
480
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,400
I remember White Shark Cafe from
the gig, but I've been recently
481
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,560
looking back at some of the
videos that I did take and for
482
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,520
me it was Monochrome and I've
been a little listening to
483
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Monochrome very recently more
off of my own video.
484
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,200
I really, really liked
Monochrome the first time I
485
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480
heard it.
Still like it.
486
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,240
I guess it's the the boots
staring indie thing in me,
487
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,320
whatever you want to call it,
that particular genre.
488
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,840
But I've been looking back at
that and realizing how fantastic
489
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,960
it was, but not realizing it at
the time.
490
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,440
I know Angie has.
Strong feelings for Monochrome
491
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,560
as well.
That song is right up there.
492
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,960
It's it's such a special song.
I heard it live for the first
493
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,560
time.
Just chill.
494
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,200
I think Boycher Cafe Live and
Fatal Live made those songs
495
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,640
higher, you know, Elevate.
Plus Wilbur dancing around to
496
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,800
them and the Moves.
And after seeing a couple of the
497
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,560
shows, I know we're spoiled
brats, you begin to, like, see
498
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,920
the same moves come back as he
is, like his routine.
499
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,400
Yeah.
And you can.
500
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,880
And as you're listening to the
songs, you can picture it, too.
501
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,360
I think that made a big impact
seeing this this performance on
502
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440
stage for those two especially.
Making me jealous again for.
503
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Sure.
And baptism, of course.
504
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360
When Wilbur comes out, like shot
out of a cannon, like jumping in
505
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,680
the air, like shoot, it was
like, all right, here we go.
506
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,720
That was great.
That's it.
507
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,240
There was no he He had a guitar
all the time at the London show.
508
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,520
So yeah, he did his typical
playing the guitar, moving
509
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,640
around a bit.
Do you think he looked nervous?
510
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:11,040
I think they were nervous.
I think Joe was drunk, I really
511
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,120
do.
If you look at some of the
512
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,520
videos when he first came on,
when he first put his guitar on,
513
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,560
I thought you've had one too
many.
514
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,480
But he still did it.
Yeah.
515
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,120
And I'm also wondering because
of the technical difficulties
516
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,920
they had for normal people
things.
517
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,800
You know, I think it was a
celebratory.
518
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,800
Night.
I didn't notice it.
519
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Yeah, really didn't notice it.
But.
520
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640
But were they nervous?
Yes, because they had all the
521
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,040
family and friends, all the
girlfriends, everybody was there
522
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,200
and.
I think we should get into the
523
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,920
lyrics part right.
I mean I.
524
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
Take a bit baptism.
As I was, as I was going through
525
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,120
these songs, I actually had a
few moments of, Oh, yeah, how
526
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,720
did I not think of that before?
For this song, when Joe's
527
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,480
talking about the baptism's over
again, it gives you that feeling
528
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
that, OK, this is happening over
and over and over.
529
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,320
And what is a baptism?
A baptism is supposed to be
530
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,080
something that happens once,
right?
531
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,800
In, in biblical terms, it's
washing you of your sin.
532
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,400
I'm cleansed.
I've paid the price.
533
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,200
I no longer have this sin.
Well, in this case, the person
534
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,000
who is singing is saying I've
paid my penance, I've been
535
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600
baptized, It hurts.
It's only supposed to happen
536
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440
once and I'm supposed to be
cleansed.
537
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,400
But yet it keeps happening over
and over and over again.
538
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,040
How much is enough?
When am I going to be clean from
539
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,400
the sin?
And that had a that had a little
540
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160
bit.
I mean, that's I open.
541
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,440
That could be a little personal.
Yeah.
542
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,440
Yeah, I feel like this song is
very personal.
543
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,600
I feel like this song is him
trying the character trying to
544
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,120
reinvent themselves.
Like like similar what Andy
545
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,680
said, they want to make a new
world, but they're not talking
546
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,960
about like a whole world.
They're talking about
547
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,960
themselves.
It feels like the character in
548
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,640
this song doesn't trust
themselves.
549
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,560
They're they're not talking
about someone else.
550
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,040
They're talking about himself.
It reminds me of, you
551
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
understand, when you're older,
the lyrics when it's like, you
552
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,480
can tell he's lying because it's
his lips move.
553
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Lips always move.
You can't.
554
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,640
You can't tell that.
But yeah, I've listened to this
555
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,120
song 420 times.
Loser.
556
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200
I'll, I'll tell you how much
I've listened to the entire
557
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,240
album at the end, but he's like,
he's talking about a mirror.
558
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
I've listened to messages in
400.
559
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,280
Yeah, that's one times.
I kind of run it already.
560
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Because you know, sometimes I
take the when you see the music
561
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,440
video, you kind of take it
literally.
562
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760
So when he's like.
I ignore the music videos when
563
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,720
I'm coming up with theories.
I feel like they're two
564
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240
different things.
I I absolutely agree with that,
565
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,880
yeah.
Two different interpretations
566
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,680
out of the the billions you can
come up with.
567
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Yeah.
What you got, Leslie?
568
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Yeah.
Well, no, because you guys blew
569
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,000
my mind.
So OK.
570
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,200
But when he says I see someone
else in my heart like these, I
571
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
swear these lyrics like make my
eyes feel up just saying them
572
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,080
out loud because I feel like
that's again, I can't help but
573
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,960
picture it's be it's will
himself, especially given we
574
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,840
feel like this is personal song
and given his experience that
575
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,360
he's referring to, he knows he's
someone.
576
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,760
He knows he's not the person
people are labeling him as.
577
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200
He sees someone else in his
heart.
578
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,880
In his heart.
He knows he's a good soul like A
579
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,239
and I or however you want to say
it.
580
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,280
He knows who he is inside and
that that line breaks my heart.
581
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,400
I think each of these songs has
a line or more that break my
582
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,360
heart.
But that was when I just wrote
583
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,400
down going through this for this
X, this exercise and no one's
584
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
really mentioned that line yet.
So that's why I'm bringing it up
585
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,239
do.
You need a tissue.
586
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000
No, that's good.
That's good.
587
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,679
Sorry.
I know when I see my reflection,
588
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,800
I don't see myself.
I think that also had to do
589
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,159
with, and this comes up later in
another song, how he looked
590
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,040
different when he was going
through it.
591
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,360
He his appearance drastically
changed and so he no longer like
592
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,800
saw himself in the mirror, but
in his heart he's still him and
593
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,120
he knows who he is.
And I just sorry, I just caught
594
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,880
that on my on my chicken scratch
pad here and had to bring them
595
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,640
all righty pain display Cam
loves this song and why?
596
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Yeah, I just like the Pebble
brain vibe to it.
597
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,320
I, I like, have almost no notes
written down for this, but I
598
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,200
like what what Wilbur said,
according to lovejoylocal.net.
599
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,240
But it's like he said, modern
life feels rented, even
600
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,200
salvation.
Like you don't own anything.
601
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Name.
Name one thing you own.
602
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,840
You don't own it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
603
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,320
But yeah, I've like no notes
for.
604
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
That what's so good about it.
I love the music video and I
605
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,760
like I picture it like I picture
the elevator like bouncing like
606
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,200
at certain points.
Angie, what what you got?
607
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,960
So I really love the line.
You know, nothing's really lost.
608
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,400
It's all just redistribution.
And by the way, I love the way
609
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,240
he says redistribution.
It's so cool that light has a
610
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,640
religious nod to it.
Again, in the Bible, there's
611
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
more than one example where it
talks about you've been made
612
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,560
from dust.
You start out with dust, you end
613
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560
up as dust.
And the Bible you uses dust a
614
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,280
lot to symbolize, you know.
Mortality.
615
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Or maybe a better a better
example is spiritual non
616
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,800
religious.
I think it was Carl Sagan.
617
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,880
We are all made of Stardust.
So again, you're made of
618
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Stardust.
Eventually, you'll be back as
619
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,240
Stardust.
All we are is dust and.
620
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,840
Go on.
Yeah, yeah.
621
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Nothing's lost.
It just gets shuffled around and
622
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,760
I This is a great song to listen
to on headphones.
623
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,880
In the chorus.
I really enjoy how the bass and
624
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,280
the guitars, the three guitars,
I guess right, all mashed
625
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,720
together.
It's, it's intricate.
626
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440
I enjoy that part.
That's that's what I've got on
627
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,040
pay and display.
If you've all seen and I think
628
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,200
we had it, I've posted the
interview or the appearance of
629
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Lovejoy on a radio station
dissecting this song, going
630
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,680
through it that's out there on
YouTube and way when Wilbur's
631
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,000
standing there and he does that
little bop to it.
632
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,280
I can't not do that bop or hear
that now ever since seeing that
633
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,840
clip.
So check it out.
634
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,000
It's on YouTube pain display.
It's on the radio's channel.
635
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,960
I posted a little clip of it on
TikTok and all that.
636
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,280
OK, but I think it's it's fun to
watch.
637
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200
And I just wanted to like say,
because the first time around we
638
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,040
went through these lyrics six
months ago, I don't know where I
639
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,680
I had this idea that he was
talking about suicide in the
640
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,400
beginning.
And I just wanted to say now
641
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,560
that I no longer think that.
So I don't know.
642
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,760
I'm taking that away, taking
that back just to to wrap up.
643
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,640
I the part where he when Wilbur
says, if you called me a bastard
644
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,600
and I would effing like it.
That's his continuing thread
645
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,120
theme of self loathing, self
deprecation that's in so many of
646
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,720
his songs, especially a
mammalian sign reflex.
647
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,840
It's just, it always breaks my
heart because it's just even
648
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,960
someone calling him a name and
treat him like dirt.
649
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,680
He would still like it, I guess,
because he likes he'd at least
650
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,480
be getting the attention from
that person perhaps.
651
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Is it He's so numb to it.
Right.
652
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:48,960
He'll take whatever you're going
to throw it in.
653
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Right.
And that's just heartbreaking.
654
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,080
And yeah, I'll leave it at that,
that I'll leave that my
655
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,400
interpretations there.
And now we're on to Rob.
656
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,160
And I know what I noticed on the
album cover, the lyrics bit on
657
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,120
the inside, they just call it
Rob.
658
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,560
I guess it was too long to fit,
but I think it's cute that it's
659
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,480
just Rob.
Let's face it, we all call it
660
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Rob.
It's true.
661
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,520
It's true.
We all know what you're talking
662
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,960
about.
What song?
663
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,240
I'm gonna.
You dope.
664
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Did I fall right into that or
what?
665
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,720
Yes.
Well, felt like he did at the
666
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:29,920
end of the video.
Boom boom.
667
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,760
When Rob came out, I, I, I liked
it.
668
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,360
It, I didn't love, love, love
it, And I think part of that is
669
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,040
because I was unsure.
I'm like, is this the the new
670
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,880
sound?
Is this?
671
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,680
What is this what their stuff is
going to sound like?
672
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,560
Because it was pretty.
It was pretty poppy, right?
673
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Yeah, it's definitely, it's
definitely a pop rock song, so I
674
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,640
wasn't sure about it.
Hearing it within the context of
675
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,120
the rest of the album has
allowed me to enjoy it a lot
676
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640
more.
I like it now as a piece of the
677
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,720
entire album puzzle.
It does have a pop.
678
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,320
Punk kind of sound, a really
catchy hook, a good melody.
679
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,280
It's polished.
It's still rock, but it's a
680
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,640
little more accessible.
I didn't realize how sarcastic
681
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
some of the lyrics are.
What is it?
682
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,720
I was getting too tired.
How did I look at it?
683
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,240
About the app?
Yeah.
684
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:29,640
Yeah.
About.
685
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Growing tired of the apogee.
I was growing tired of the
686
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,000
apogee that seems a little
sarcastic, like, Oh yeah, you
687
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,880
know, I was just, you know,
getting ready to headline or
688
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,440
play at Coachella.
But you know, it's fine, you
689
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,840
know?
Yeah, I've got their rise to
690
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,240
stardom sess.
They were getting tired of it.
691
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,920
So you know, they need to be
knocked down.
692
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Yeah, Yeah, I had that written
down as well, so.
693
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,520
So why don't you just go ahead
and keep everything?
694
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,680
I don't mind.
You can keep my stereo.
695
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,720
Go ahead.
So it it has more of a sarcastic
696
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,920
feel to me now than it did on
1st listen, but I appreciate it
697
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,680
a lot more now than I did when
the song was released.
698
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,240
Very interesting.
Like first lesson I had like a,
699
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,160
a 1984 type feel with like, you
know, the big man's got your
700
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,880
vote and all that.
Right.
701
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,880
The big man, Big Brothers.
OK.
702
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,400
It's interesting.
I was thinking, yeah, it does
703
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,120
sound very sarcastic.
I wrote that down.
704
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,720
Actually sarcastic.
Especially the apogee bit when
705
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,720
he says lack of focus.
Oh OK please be kind.
706
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,640
I felt was like Rob could equal
karma.
707
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,040
It's it's.
A very different emotion, that
708
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,960
line than than the rest.
The sarcasm.
709
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,360
Now he's just like, please,
please be kind.
710
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,960
And you know Rob's your only
witness.
711
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,880
Like they're watching.
That's I like that, Yeah, I.
712
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Don't know that was my my take
in this.
713
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,680
I really do like that.
Thank you.
714
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,320
White Shark Cafe.
Your lighting reminds me of
715
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,160
White Shark Cafe Live.
The background.
716
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it works.
Now you just got to jump around.
717
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Monday, jump around.
No, no.
718
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,560
OK.
Jump up.
719
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,280
Jump up, dude.
Down.
720
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,240
I.
Mean did the winding up thing he
721
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,040
does.
It's winding up, yes.
722
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,880
Yes.
Leaning back and winding.
723
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,680
Up.
Yeah, rub it in a bit more, why
724
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,880
don't you?
White Shark Cafe.
725
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,200
What have we got here?
What about you, Cam?
726
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,840
I love the visuals for this.
I love Kennedy announcing the
727
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,520
space program and it going up
into space and then coming back
728
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
down with like the astronaut
guy.
729
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:03,720
I just, I love what?
I just love old history and all
730
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,120
that Kennedy stuff.
And I know Wilbur does too.
731
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,880
Me too, Yeah, I like that.
I love the visuals.
732
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,600
They're so.
Yeah.
733
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,160
Oh, Groundhog Day.
He's he's talking about I stay
734
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,240
awake, miss every single day.
They're all the same.
735
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:23,800
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
736
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,160
They're all the same.
It's like Groundhog Day.
737
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,440
As well, Yeah, like he has
insomnia each day, runs into the
738
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,480
next.
And especially that during the
739
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,280
time where he was just wasting
away watching videos on a
740
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,040
laptop, right.
Yeah, not going out.
741
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Yeah, exactly.
Shock videos on the laptop.
742
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,120
I always thought it says shark.
I know there's been a lot of
743
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
like disputing that if it's
shark or shock, but I think it's
744
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,320
now written.
I think it's written.
745
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,280
It's like written down a shock.
Yeah.
746
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,880
Yeah, yeah.
And there's nothing better than
747
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,360
you.
Yeah.
748
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,880
I love that so much.
They have a lot of songs on here
749
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,480
with big hooks, catchy melodies.
This one is very steady
750
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,040
throughout.
It actually helps tie in the the
751
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,480
lyrics and the meaning of the
song.
752
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,400
Because it's flat, it doesn't
change.
753
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Everything is the same, right?
You know, yeah, I get that.
754
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Yeah.
Yeah.
755
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,880
There, there's no big changes.
Yeah, that's true.
756
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,920
Lovejoy has a lot of songs like
that where there's a lot of
757
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080
change UPS.
The chorus, you know, common
758
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,200
touch.
The chorus is way different than
759
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,720
the verses.
I think that all helps convey
760
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,880
the theme of the song.
What Cam just said is, well,
761
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880
about the same, Same, same,
same.
762
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Yes, they've.
Actually put that in with the
763
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
the tone, yeah.
I think White Shark Cafe is
764
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,400
actually the antithesis to
comment touch.
765
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,760
Piqued my interest.
The only other thing I want to
766
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
add was just the whole part
about like wasting way watching
767
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,720
the videos on the laptop.
Each day is the same basically,
768
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040
and that's saying that
anything's better than the
769
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,800
thought of you.
He's miserable, but he still
770
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,520
feels better off than being with
that person was the take away I
771
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,520
got from that.
Just saying.
772
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,880
Yeah, I, I, I think circuses and
and puppet shows is probably a
773
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:32,400
key phrase as well.
Is, is that about the perception
774
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:39,440
of how people see him, how he
sees what he's like?
775
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,800
You know it's a circus out there
on the Internet.
776
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,480
That's true.
It's very double sort of meaning
777
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,720
type thing.
I love all that stuff.
778
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,240
I'm I'm just listening to you
folks.
779
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,840
It's just like, Oh my God, yes,
Oh my God, yes, but I can't
780
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,640
always come up with that myself,
but I love listening and hearing
781
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,720
it.
It's it's good.
782
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,280
It's.
Interesting, right?
783
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,320
Yeah, yeah, move on.
A common touch because I want to
784
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,840
know how you're going to tie it
in, Angie.
785
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:24,480
So if White Shark Cafe is about
basically doom scrolling and
786
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,200
being bored, being locked away
like Howard Hughes, you're,
787
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,840
you're sitting in your room, you
have no human contact with
788
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,560
anybody.
You're just scrolling,
789
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,720
scrolling, scrolling.
It's it's like an addiction.
790
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Yep.
Common touch is like totally the
791
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,320
opposite.
And common touch is somebody
792
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,280
desperately wants that personal
connection, but it's so over
793
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,520
stimulating and so overwhelming
that they literally,
794
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:56,280
figuratively need to Guild their
hands.
795
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,280
It's it's like touching a live
wire to get out there and have
796
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,760
contact with a real person.
And even the instruments in the
797
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,080
chorus.
This is probably a bit of a
798
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,480
stretch, but the instruments in
the course are kind of like,
799
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,280
they almost even sound charged,
electrically charged.
800
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,840
So I feel like those two songs
fit together, but they're like
801
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,080
the opposites of each other.
Or maybe in White Shark Cafe,
802
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,440
the person gets sick of the doom
scrolling, decides they're going
803
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:34,280
to go out and want human
contact, but it's way too much,
804
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,800
way too overstimulating because
they haven't actually talked to
805
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,200
a real life person in forever.
I like that but.
806
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,800
Is it going on that theory?
Is it the fact that OK, we now
807
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,120
as a band have to get back out
there?
808
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Do you like that?
I don't know, Davey.
809
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,920
Dave, you're getting it.
You're getting it.
810
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Dave, but it's been explained,
but yes.
811
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,120
It's getting in the mindset of
like, thinking in that different
812
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,240
way, right?
It could very well be.
813
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Yeah, Is it that is it about
getting back out there as well,
814
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880
trying to fix things by
appealing to the people?
815
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,880
I don't know it's that kind.
Of meanwhile my my note was only
816
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
about Teresa.
I just love the way he says
817
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Teresa.
I just love it and I feel like
818
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,600
when he says effing Teresa, see
why do I keep getting the cursed
819
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,040
parts that I don't say?
Is that?
820
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,480
I think he's saying effing
Teresa because he's like Teresa.
821
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,800
Like I just remembered the name,
the name that rhymes of Jesus
822
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Teresa.
That's what I think that oh.
823
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Jesus.
I I want to I want to come back
824
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,400
to this.
Yeah, yeah, go Cam.
825
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,560
It's.
What name rhymes with Jesus?
826
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,400
Teresa I feel like is the
closest.
827
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,160
It's a pretty name, rhymes with
Jesus, Teresa because he says
828
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,640
Teresa, Jesus.
I feel like that's what it is.
829
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,040
That's why he's like remembering
it.
830
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,880
Dave says no.
Cam says no.
831
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,280
Angie says yes.
It's a girl versus guy thing, I
832
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,400
guess.
Yes, I think it's.
833
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,240
So we're we're automatically.
Right.
834
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Typical woman.
We, we, It's Wilbur's feminine
835
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,400
side that we're we're connecting
with.
836
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,160
I think it's close enough match
that it could be.
837
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,320
I'm going to agree with Leslie,
what else you guys got.
838
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,400
You have a better.
That's on my list of questions
839
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,280
for Wilbur one day.
Anything else before we move on,
840
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:48,880
Dave?
No perfect blue I'm going on I'm
841
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,960
I'm going on Angie's theory of
common touch Angie's theory on
842
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,360
white shark common touch.
Is this the next song in that
843
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,640
light in the darkness?
Is it an ode to the fans that
844
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,360
stuck by the band?
I don't know It did just sort of
845
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,840
list listening to what Angie
said this.
846
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,960
Obviously they've put songs in
order that they want to.
847
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,920
We know they've taken a couple
of tracks out, but we'll if and
848
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,320
when they go back in, will that
tell that story even further?
849
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,680
Will that fill in a gaps a bit
like the Star Wars episodes
850
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,480
answered questions, But I feel
like this is I feel like this
851
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
perfect Blue is is the follow
on.
852
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,800
He's he's come out, he's gone
outside the door.
853
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:49,120
And now is it a bit of a no to
fans saying thank you to them?
854
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Get what I mean?
I see it.
855
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,920
I like it.
Yeah, you know, on day one.
856
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,920
No, I get it.
I totally get it.
857
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,280
On day one, I thought this song
was about a relationship, like a
858
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,600
romantic relationship, and it's
still very well could be, but it
859
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,720
might not have to be.
I'm.
860
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:14,200
It feels more of like a loyalty
thing now then romantic and it
861
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,080
fits in with what Dave just
said.
862
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:22,600
And I used to think, OK, there's
these lines think were that had
863
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,800
a negative connotation, but
maybe they're not the where it
864
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,040
goes from from tit to teeth.
You're numb, leaking smiles from
865
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,880
a gasket slipped around your
tongue.
866
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
I always had like a really
negative connotation with that.
867
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,080
Maybe it's just the visual, like
a gasket slipped around your
868
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,960
tongue.
Sounds kind of nasty, right?
869
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,840
But maybe it's not negative.
Maybe it means that whoever this
870
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,080
is like they're keeping quiet.
They're not spilling the beans.
871
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,120
They're keeping a secret.
That was just some other, you
872
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,520
know, and that would tie in with
the whole loyalty or, or anybody
873
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,720
else's.
Leslie, sounds like you got
874
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,280
something for this one too.
I I love hearing people's ideas.
875
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,880
This is fun.
It's it's.
876
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,080
I'd rather learn like this than
sit in front of a screen
877
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,840
listening, trying to jot words
down.
878
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,200
I got some ideas and I don't
know if I watched them in the
879
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,200
first the first time we went
through these songs at all, but
880
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,800
I just picture that, you know,
I've got a pen and a napkin.
881
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,640
He's meeting.
I'm sorry.
882
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,560
I always kind of go back to the
same storyline meeting this
883
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,920
person that may be at a bar like
let's freaking hash this out.
884
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,760
What do I got to do here?
I got here, I got a napkin, I
885
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,040
got a pen.
What what do I have to give you
886
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,920
to like move on from this to to
make a settlement agreement to
887
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,120
settle?
What do you want from me?
888
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,680
Is what I was getting from that
name a number you want.
889
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Like he just wants to move on
and do whatever makes this
890
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,640
person happy to be like done
with them.
891
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,560
I feel like plumbing the same
dive bars is the dive bars are
892
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,120
the the socials.
I feel like it's the Twitter.
893
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
It's YouTube, the same dive
bars.
894
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,960
They're dive bars.
The street from the Street View
895
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,120
car, like seeing the page of the
thumbnails on of all the YouTube
896
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,200
videos is what I was picturing
looking from the outside, not
897
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,160
clicking in.
That's what the Street View car
898
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,080
is.
You know, that's what I imagine
899
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,240
it like social media for sure is
what I I get from that.
900
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,120
The person that they're talking,
dealing with and trying to like
901
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,040
wrap this relationship, whatever
it may be up with.
902
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,920
They're numb.
They have no emotion, but they,
903
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,960
you know, they can't help but
smile now and then, even though
904
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,160
they're trying not to.
That's the gask smiles through
905
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,440
the gasket around your tongue.
And I just then it gets like a
906
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,760
little sappy, right.
It goes.
907
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,680
I wish we could have just like
had a glass of wine and then I
908
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,200
think wants to leave off with
just remember the good days, the
909
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,040
good old days.
Remember when you used to say,
910
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,440
please just stay one day more.
Maybe that's that person that
911
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,400
that's not so nice to them
anymore used to say things like
912
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,720
that, like, oh, I wish you could
just stay an extra day.
913
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:24,600
That's where I go with that.
He's telling us, the audience to
914
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,880
learn from him.
Don't get yourself in this kind
915
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,240
of situation.
Don't try this at home because
916
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,120
he did say it was to us in that
recording that he made of him
917
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,280
sitting with the guitar.
I think it was on Reddit or
918
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,320
somewhere he was looking at the
camera.
919
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,680
He was looking, giving us a
warning to not try this at home.
920
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,080
That's my take.
Who wants to go next?
921
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,720
We're on to foxholes, aren't we?
I have to say the line with your
922
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,640
room temperature mimosa you
forgot to Chuck tonight.
923
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,960
I love that line and I don't
know what the hell it means but
924
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,480
just the visual I.
Love the visual of it.
925
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Yes.
In Brooklyn, I don't know if you
926
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,440
caught this, I'm sure you did
because I did too.
927
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
And same brain cell.
But he would go when he said
928
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920
Chuck, he would go like this
Chuck, like he's throwing
929
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,800
something.
Yeah.
930
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,920
And I just thought.
That I had my two favorite
931
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,960
lyrics with hearts next to him.
So he already said the one and I
932
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,160
feel like there's a guidebook
that everyone can read, but I, I
933
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,680
just.
Love that.
934
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,760
The lyricism of that, the way he
crafted that sentence, I adore.
935
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Yeah.
And again, like the imagining
936
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,080
this, actually, there's like
this a guidebook.
937
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,880
So I had that written down.
And as well as the dagger, to
938
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,040
me, the dagger line in this song
is I wonder if it's fun to be
939
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,320
emotionally bankrupt.
It's like, whoa, I think it's
940
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,800
like there's some anger here and
I think that's a a dagger.
941
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,760
And I think the room temperature
mimosa is reflecting on the
942
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,600
relationship and reflecting the
like things that the person
943
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,320
would do that would kind of like
irk them, right?
944
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,360
Leaving their drink out on the
the counter, not cleaning up
945
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,040
after.
Himself.
946
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,760
Maybe it's love it.
It's not a hot relationship,
947
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,240
it's a room temperature.
Relationship.
948
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Oh, Dave.
Dave, I'm just listening to what
949
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,480
you're saying.
And then you kind of went and I
950
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,600
thought, no, that's not.
I was too.
951
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,080
Literal.
I was too literal and I like
952
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,600
your take.
And maybe it's actually this
953
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,000
relationship is a tad room
temperature.
954
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Yeah, because a mimosa is
supposed to be sort of like a.
955
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Is it cold?
Happy brunch, celebratory
956
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,320
champagne thing.
Sweet and celebratory champagne.
957
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,720
The sweet from the orange juice.
And does it have ice?
958
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,560
No, no, I can't drink.
It's chilled.
959
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,640
Off there.
Oh bless.
960
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,160
No, but Dave is right you.
Have no idea.
961
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,120
You took it.
You took it to a.
962
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,280
Whole other level.
Dave, I'm proud of you.
963
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,280
I'm impressed.
I'm digging it.
964
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,760
Love that, Dave.
Nice.
965
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,240
Dave, did you have is that was
was that your big take or you
966
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,200
just got?
That was it.
967
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,760
That's all I got because.
No, but it's.
968
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,840
Foxholes for me.
More than enough.
969
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,240
The only thing and and I can't
escape this is Second World War
970
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,960
soldiers diving in a foxhole
with it playing in the
971
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,000
background.
That's.
972
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Yeah, yeah.
All, all I've got because I like
973
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,720
a bit of Second World War
history as well, and even down
974
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,320
to foxholes.
When we first heard it, back
975
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,640
when it was played live and
you're sat there trying, trying
976
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,320
to listen to the lyrics, that's
all I had and I can't escape
977
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,240
that.
No, I definitely like every time
978
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,400
he says the line.
Not no atheists in the foxholes.
979
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,560
That's what I picture.
Like it's dark, it's night time,
980
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,320
it's raining, it's grungy in
the.
981
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,120
Yeah, running and diving.
Into.
982
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,320
A foxhole, that kind of thing.
I've learnt more listening to
983
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,240
you folks about that than what I
can make out of my own.
984
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,600
No, you me own.
I love when you say.
985
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,160
That me mouse?
No, but that makes sense that
986
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,000
warfare visual is so strong in
this lyrics.
987
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
All right, all right.
Fatal.
988
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Fatal.
Oh, I want.
989
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,080
To ask love, love this song.
Yeah.
990
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,200
Same.
Album.
991
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,440
Absolutely.
Scoundrels Mother heartbreaker
992
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,800
fatal.
Yeah, another heart wrenching
993
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,400
song.
I actually made a note on this
994
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,800
about is it just a multiple?
I've put a multitude of
995
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,120
relationships because you can
read into whatever relationship
996
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:01,040
you want to think about.
Is it about getting back up and
997
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,160
fighting on?
Right.
998
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,720
Don't let it be fatal.
Yeah, don't give in.
999
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,960
And did you catch the visuals?
I know, Dave, you didn't have
1000
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,320
the visuals at your show, but
have you seen the clips of the
1001
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,480
visuals with the the man in the
paddles and shocking them back
1002
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,760
to life?
You got to see that.
1003
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
You got to look at a video of
Fox of Fatal and see that.
1004
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,200
I I've only ever watched them
once and not really took much
1005
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,920
notice because it was like it
was all new and fresh.
1006
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,400
Do you know what I mean?
I really can't get enough of
1007
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,640
this song.
It just hits you, art.
1008
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:49,400
Yeah, I I dig it into the the
line at the end, you know.
1009
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,040
Oh, I said the last verse is
gold and heartbreaking everyone.
1010
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,760
Yeah.
Actually, I had a question for
1011
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Angie as our resident Bible
expert on Sinai's peak.
1012
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,240
He took my hand.
Does that mean something?
1013
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,080
Mount Sinai, Sinai's peak?
Yeah.
1014
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Is there something you can
really relate to?
1015
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,720
I knew it meant something like
from the Bible.
1016
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,600
It does.
Mount Sinai is Moses went up
1017
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,920
Mount Sinai and that's where God
supposedly gave Moses the 10
1018
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,640
commandments.
Oh, OK of.
1019
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,600
Course it was done.
Did you think about that when
1020
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,120
you were thinking of this song
and.
1021
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Yes, I yes, I did.
And that's one of my favorite
1022
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,360
lines known as the place where
God delivered the 10
1023
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,280
commandments to Moses and spoke
to Moses in the in the burning
1024
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,760
Bush.
So the story goes that there
1025
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160
that he received the 10
commandments and then on the top
1026
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,080
of the mountain there was a
literal Bush that was on fire
1027
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,320
and that was representative of
God, and Moses could hear God
1028
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,800
speak.
Through this.
1029
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,600
Fire.
What do you think about the
1030
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,920
context of the song?
I felt like AI felt like there
1031
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:23,360
was a lot of references to panic
and Full disclosure, being
1032
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,880
someone who has had panic
attacks in the past, it almost
1033
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:34,360
felt like the anatomy of a panic
attack in a given situation.
1034
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,240
Thoughts manifest in a wink.
Insanity.
1035
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,240
It beckons again.
Is this where the loud part
1036
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,400
begins?
That spiral of panic is
1037
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,280
starting?
And when it says too late to
1038
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,000
surface, watching the tide turn,
I can't stop it.
1039
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,200
The spiral has started.
I can't stop it.
1040
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,160
I know how it ends, but I still
feel suspenseful.
1041
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,680
I've been through a panic
attack.
1042
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,040
I've been OK every other time,
but I'm still suspenseful
1043
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,560
because what if this is the one
time where I'm not OK?
1044
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,280
And then where he says, you make
it so hard for a boy to believe
1045
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,320
there's anything beyond what I
think it I see.
1046
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,760
Like I can't see reality past
the panic.
1047
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:22,000
So that really kind of that
really kind of jumped out at me
1048
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,680
and that's something I really
didn't see before.
1049
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Again, it's just my thoughts,
but I think maybe, like I said,
1050
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,600
being someone who has
experienced that before, it
1051
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,440
probably jumped out at me more
than, you know someone who
1052
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,760
hasn't experienced that would
because it feels familiar.
1053
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,200
I like that.
I like.
1054
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,200
That I really.
That really fits.
1055
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,640
That really makes sense.
You're too good at this, Angie,
1056
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,080
aren't you?
Yeah.
1057
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,160
I've only written a few notes,
she says.
1058
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,040
Yeah, well, and she said she
wrote more than she thought she
1059
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,040
would write.
Death Box.
1060
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:10,560
Death box, my beloved.
Is that your favorite?
1061
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,320
This is your song.
You best start then.
1062
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,120
I just love calling it the
Leslie song.
1063
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,160
I never thought I'd love a song
called Death Box.
1064
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,000
I had no clue what the heck a
song called Death Box could
1065
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:33,440
sound like, but here we are.
I love again the lyrics man, the
1066
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,520
lyricism.
I love the play on words
1067
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,800
outstanding in your field, out
standing in your field.
1068
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,040
Love that.
But baby, I'm on the fence.
1069
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,680
I like so instead of, you know,
usually say like, oh, they're
1070
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,040
outstanding in their field of
dentistry or something, right?
1071
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,840
But no, you're out standing in
your field and he's on the
1072
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,080
fence.
I literally picture like a
1073
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,520
scarecrow on the fence.
He's a scarecrow on the fence.
1074
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,520
Yeah, you just.
Dude, you're genius I never
1075
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,960
thought about.
That's my picture and you know,
1076
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,960
no solace in the dollar.
Basically money can't buy
1077
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,520
everything, can't buy your
piece.
1078
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,960
When he says you found God, I
got interred.
1079
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Oh, that's so heavy and just I
wrote the word lush.
1080
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,320
I didn't know else to have to
describe that, but it's so good.
1081
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,240
Not sure it's going to create
what you intend to create.
1082
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,000
This might get a little dicey.
This is where I think it's about
1083
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,680
you think what you're doing is
going to bring you fame and
1084
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,880
success.
And you know what?
1085
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,840
I'm not sure it's going to
create what you intend to
1086
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,640
create.
And, and when he talks about,
1087
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,640
you know, no solace in the
dollar.
1088
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,880
I'm not going to fight you for a
parking space.
1089
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,120
I'm not fighting you for ranks
on YouTube or wherever or online
1090
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,920
space.
I'm not fighting for it.
1091
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,560
You have all you want.
I don't even care.
1092
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,880
The chorus.
I wrote chorus, my beloved,
1093
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,440
because I love.
Come on, girl, spit it out.
1094
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,800
Of course.
What is it?
1095
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,880
Things to do, people to see.
I wrote.
1096
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,040
Oh, OK, come on girl, spit it
out.
1097
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,000
The world is calling me because
he has things to do, people to
1098
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,120
see, albums to make, tours to
play.
1099
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,200
Let's go again.
I have the napkin, I have the
1100
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,800
pen.
Let's go.
1101
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,920
Hurry along and move it along.
The double entendre with the
1102
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,360
elevator we were having a laugh
at the other day in the girls
1103
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:52,840
chat.
He wants to get off, but it's
1104
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,960
not his floor.
OK, that's to me.
1105
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,160
That's a bit of humor right
there.
1106
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,120
You could hear that two
different ways.
1107
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,480
If I knew I'd offer you, I'd
give you mine.
1108
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,320
You know, basically, I, we could
end this misery if I could just
1109
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,080
give you what I can give you my
like freaking play button.
1110
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,240
I could give you my followers,
my subscribers and this misery
1111
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,080
and this misery that's just been
dragging on.
1112
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,880
That's how I see it.
And I could be way off, but
1113
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,480
that's that's where my head goes
that.
1114
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:29,600
Was see it this this song is
such like a a deep personal
1115
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,520
song.
It feels like you just described
1116
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,880
it perfectly.
Thanks, I mean it may be my
1117
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,880
parasocial self that's doing it
but.
1118
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,480
Yeah, I have to ask you, does
the intro in this song remind
1119
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,840
you of Planetary Go?
Yes.
1120
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,120
From Danger Days.
Yeah.
1121
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,600
It was like the first thing I
thought was, oh, my gosh, it
1122
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,600
sounds like Planetary Go.
But I love the intro, and I know
1123
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,880
Leslie loves the intro too.
I just have a few thoughts.
1124
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,800
I think I might have said this
before, but one of my favorite
1125
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,800
parts in this song is right
around 3 minutes where you get
1126
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,120
the drums and they just get a
little more menacing each time.
1127
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,240
It's, you know, it's like
something's creeping up on you.
1128
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,080
And Leslie, a lot of the things
that you said about feeling
1129
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,280
trapped and like, can we just
get on with this?
1130
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,360
I felt that too.
Like I had like basically one
1131
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,080
line of interpretation.
I wrote, I am so done with this.
1132
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,080
Can we just move on?
Stuck, trapped elevator.
1133
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,560
That's what I had.
Yes.
1134
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,560
Like he just wants to be done
with it.
1135
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,400
So yeah, no, I agree with you.
You said it so much more it.
1136
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,640
Probably does just want to get
off the elevator.
1137
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,360
Detail but.
But I like figure it the other
1138
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,200
way too, because I think it's
funny.
1139
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,000
It's life without a little.
Humor.
1140
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,040
Yeah.
Yeah.
1141
01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:00,800
Scoundrels.
So for me at least, the the
1142
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,320
lions and I fall.
Oh, I tend to fall sometimes,
1143
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,240
but I can't access heaven if I
tried.
1144
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,200
I think going back to My
Chemical Romance, the whole
1145
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,479
album of three Cheers for Sweet
Revenge is about these two
1146
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:24,600
people who die at their wedding.
But this he the guy makes a deal
1147
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:30,000
with the devil to kill 1000 evil
men or 100 evil men.
1148
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,600
And when he to see his wife
again because she's in heaven
1149
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:43,920
and he's an owl and he, he kills
the 99 people and then realizes
1150
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,160
because he killed those 99
people, he's the 100th person.
1151
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,200
But he can't die because he's
already dead.
1152
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,680
So he'll, he has to accept that
he'll never see his love again.
1153
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:03,960
And I just I feel like that that
resonates with this song, the
1154
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,000
character, he'll never reach
someone who is so angelic
1155
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,800
because going back to one of the
other songs, it's like about the
1156
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,880
devil would would love to meet
her because he can't because
1157
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,080
she's so like pure.
And I just think that's what
1158
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:27,600
it's about, the characters.
You know, that's funny, Cam.
1159
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,600
I can't remember which song it
was on this album, but I had
1160
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,240
compared one of the songs to the
actual Demolition Lovers songs,
1161
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:42,840
which the Demolition Lovers are.
It's basically the colloquial
1162
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,200
name of the two people that Cam
was just talking about.
1163
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,479
So I get you there, Cam.
Yeah.
1164
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,960
That's a good take.
Cool.
1165
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,439
See, now you make me want to
listen to some MCR.
1166
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,640
You should.
I just had down because I, I
1167
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,360
can't let go of this theme.
The sponsors and, you know, all
1168
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,080
our friends I think he's talking
about.
1169
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,080
Yeah.
You know fellow online.
1170
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:12,760
Friends.
Friends in the same Yeah, to
1171
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,720
attract a national brand.
So it's like they're selling out
1172
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:22,120
or Yeah, they claim to have
these morals and values, but
1173
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,400
they just have enough just to
fit on a postcard and to an
1174
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,080
insult to injury obscured by a
stamp.
1175
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,560
It's just so poetic.
I wrote poetic.
1176
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,480
Yeah, yeah.
I just think that that is a
1177
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,480
story right there all in itself,
and it that that's the picture
1178
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:41,840
it paints for me.
It's very true to life.
1179
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:47,680
His life is what I see in.
That yeah, it's dig at the
1180
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,400
online community.
Yeah, but I think not just yet,
1181
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,000
right?
I think it's a dig at someone in
1182
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,560
specific, and I won't say it.
Yeah.
1183
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,160
Yeah, I just have a little bit
on scoundrels.
1184
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:05,240
Not much.
Yeah, Of Scoundrels is my
1185
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,640
favorite song on this album.
This is a barn burner scorcher
1186
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,760
of a song in in a couple of
different ways.
1187
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,400
It it feels very self
flagellating.
1188
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,000
It's it's just raw.
This is a raw song.
1189
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,440
Yeah.
So Angie would the would would
1190
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:28,560
the rockiness that the heaviest
heaviness does that convert to
1191
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,320
something like anger,
frustration, being heavier, more
1192
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,320
scrap, shoutier?
You know, that's a good
1193
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,160
question.
It's like, like I said, it feels
1194
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,160
raw.
And I don't know if that rawness
1195
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:46,040
converts to anger or
frustration, but I feel like it
1196
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:53,760
is coming from the deepest place
inside of him that maybe we've
1197
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,120
possibly seen on this entire
album.
1198
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:05,760
And I think that could be a
reason why it's so heavy.
1199
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:12,480
There's just he's, he's bearing
the weight of so many things.
1200
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,840
And that's the way in which it's
manifesting itself.
1201
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,880
And he even talks about building
a viewing platform just to watch
1202
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,240
it burn.
You know, everything's burning
1203
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,800
around tonight, like.
The lyric.
1204
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,600
Just.
Kills me, kills me, but it's so
1205
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,640
good.
It kills me though and I love I
1206
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,960
could see the woods if not for
all these epic trees.
1207
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,760
Why don't they close?
I love that too, but I love that
1208
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,440
line so much.
'Cause you like it when Wilbur
1209
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,440
swears.
It's really good.
1210
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:44,360
I can't you.
Feel it.
1211
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,360
You feel when he's.
Oh yeah, the yes, the emotions.
1212
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,440
It's like the end of the fall.
This this part feels like.
1213
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Yes, I love the sweary parts.
I know you do.
1214
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,600
I yell.
The sweary parts.
1215
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:06,360
I know you do.
Releases the anger and the
1216
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,120
frustration.
Yes.
1217
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,160
I'm not saying I don't in the
privacy of my own car or
1218
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,280
something.
Oh tut tut tut.
1219
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,400
We knew it.
I expected more singing God.
1220
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,120
But then, OK, let's get.
To the end, despite anything he
1221
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,160
might ever say or do or how he
may succeed, is always going to
1222
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,000
be a scoundrel.
I think he feels like he's never
1223
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,720
going to shake this.
Ever.
1224
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,840
No.
Matter how big he gets, it's
1225
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,080
always going to come back to
this.
1226
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,400
Yeah, it's always going to be in
his bio somewhere.
1227
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,200
Yep, Yep.
Pisses me off.
1228
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,000
Next real monochrome.
Monochrome.
1229
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,120
Oh, monochrome.
Love it.
1230
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,880
What an ending to like a
incredible album.
1231
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,080
Yeah, it needed it.
It like it's perfect.
1232
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,480
It's a perfect ending.
Like you said.
1233
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,960
It's like ending what you
couldn't end with any of these
1234
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,560
other songs.
It had to be like.
1235
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,160
It had to song.
It's epic.
1236
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,720
It is an epic, sweeping song.
Am I right in thinking with the
1237
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:31,000
endings you have is monochrome
on the encore and the is it the
1238
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,240
full?
Oh, like in the shows?
1239
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,280
Yeah, in the shows, because the
four was a very good ending.
1240
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,600
Yeah, it's.
And now Monocrome is a very good
1241
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,240
ending, am I?
Right.
1242
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,800
Fall was the encore, the last
song.
1243
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,320
All right, so Monocrome is
first, and then the Fall is the
1244
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,720
encore.
Yeah, 2 great endings.
1245
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,920
But the setlist changed, so it
wasn't always like that.
1246
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,280
They didn't always play them in
order.
1247
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,200
I think in Chicago we got them
in order, right?
1248
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,080
Is that the Chicago setlist?
That's Chicago.
1249
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,920
Yeah, yeah, we got them in
order, but there were other
1250
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,000
shows that did not get them all
in order, like Monochrome was
1251
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,360
maybe third or fourth from the
end.
1252
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,920
Yeah, I have mine right.
I don't think they've ever not
1253
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,920
ended ended, ended with the
fall.
1254
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,080
Yeah, I think they want to end
with end of the bang and not
1255
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,840
like a.
Somber.
1256
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,320
Somber thing.
Leave you wanting more.
1257
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,360
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
1258
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,520
Make sure your hearings really
gone.
1259
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,520
Your voice is really gone.
Yeah, yeah.
1260
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,720
So back to monochrome.
Yes Sir.
1261
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,520
What do we think?
I wrote beautiful.
1262
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:48,760
I love.
Yeah, Yeah.
1263
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,320
Haunting, I wrote.
You know, hauntingly beautiful.
1264
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,800
Especially the ending.
I love how it steps down.
1265
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,920
I'm doing the wrong tone, but I
mean yeah.
1266
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,920
Oh, but then like the pitching
preen and carnivore, like you
1267
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:14,320
know what he's talking about.
Again, self loathing wishes to
1268
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,080
be rust or broken glass at
least.
1269
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,280
Like those are useful in some
way.
1270
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,640
But he's just in the middle.
He's neither here nor there.
1271
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,160
He's useless.
Like, again, he's down on
1272
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:31,360
himself.
And if, oh, and if take me with
1273
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,080
you, Oh, my goodness.
There's like a whole minute of
1274
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,640
if you have, if if you have to
leave tonight, would you take me
1275
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:38,640
with you?
Yeah.
1276
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,200
It's so good.
He's so good.
1277
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,520
The the world needs to hear
these songs.
1278
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:47,680
The world needs to hear these
songs.
1279
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,920
I love Reddit imagery in this
song.
1280
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:56,200
It's got such a noir type of
feel to it, you know, I mean,
1281
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,800
obviously with the name
Monochrome, but can't you just
1282
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,480
like hear these lyrics and then
just picture everything in your
1283
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:04,280
mind?
It's just, it's gorgeous.
1284
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,000
And I love the line.
I, I feel like this line is so
1285
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,240
ironic.
And I'll pretend that I'm not
1286
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,960
set alight by cadence.
I love that line because one of
1287
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,560
the things for this song that
just gets me, that has me in a
1288
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,280
chokehold, is the cadence of the
way he sings the verses.
1289
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,600
It's like, yes, yes, it is.
And you know, it's so great that
1290
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,360
it's the end of the album.
I love it.
1291
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,800
And it's really sad in a way
that it's the end of the album
1292
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,280
because we've gotten all the way
through this and there's still
1293
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,440
no resolution for this person.
The protagonist is, you know,
1294
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:44,080
they're still stuck, they're
still uncertain.
1295
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,160
They're still grappling with all
these things.
1296
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,680
I haven't gotten anywhere.
It's still the same old, same
1297
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,880
old.
So, yeah, it's sad.
1298
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,520
But like you said, it's Leslie.
I think you said this.
1299
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:03,920
It's hauntingly beautiful.
And I think that as a whole,
1300
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,320
it's why most people don't
understand that they don't that
1301
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,640
I haven't heard the songs.
I just know I play the same
1302
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,640
songs in the same album over and
over again is because of the
1303
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,880
imagery.
It's always interesting.
1304
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,160
It's always you're always
picking up on a nuance or a play
1305
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,320
on words you and just like
pictures.
1306
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,120
It's like picturing a your
favorite movie over and over.
1307
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,640
You're picturing like the scenes
and the things happening and
1308
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,280
just the way he says the words
and the way he says them.
1309
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:38,800
I don't know.
That's how I I know Angie.
1310
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,200
You feel like that a lot.
You pick up on the bass and
1311
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,800
stuff, I pick on the drums.
Like everybody has their thing
1312
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:50,480
that that's that pulls them in.
But he's a genius in that we all
1313
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,320
get so much out of it, out of
each song.
1314
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,640
He that's how I feel.
He really is.
1315
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,880
And it's funny that you say
bass, because I was just going
1316
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,960
to say that this song is a
perfect example of the bass
1317
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:08,160
really pulling through some of
that imagery.
1318
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,520
Right before the chorus, when
it's just Ash playing is where
1319
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,640
you get sort of that darkly
alluring feeling and it
1320
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,440
continues through the verse.
And I know, guys, I've said this
1321
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,920
100 million times, but Ash
Kubosu does not get enough
1322
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,800
credit.
Ash Kubosu is a bass playing God
1323
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,920
and he should get so much more
credit than he does.
1324
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:44,200
His sound has really contributed
to Lovejoy's signature sound in
1325
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,520
its own.
Just having that bass in there
1326
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,280
so.
That's right.
1327
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,320
And it's I'm glad you said that
because I that was a bit of
1328
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,480
attachment.
But yeah, no, no, that's good
1329
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:58,480
because I harp on the I do harp
on the lyrics a lot at the
1330
01:19:58,480 --> 01:19:59,840
drums.
I adore.
1331
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,720
I love playing along with the
drums in my car, hitting
1332
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,960
everything and because of being
a.
1333
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,920
I'm sweating of some sort.
Oh, swearing.
1334
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,560
You'll never load that down.
No, I guess not, but yeah.
1335
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,280
They're.
All former drummer I the drums
1336
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,080
like get to me like you.
The bass gets to you and your
1337
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,360
daughter and plays.
What about you Dave?
1338
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,760
I want to hear more of your
monochrome take if you have any.
1339
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:34,520
I I just love it.
I just sit there and it's this
1340
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:40,000
whole boot staring shoe gaze
ending brings me back the whole
1341
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,600
for me, the whole song is kind
of made mean and Moody.
1342
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:50,800
A mean, Moody shoe gaze delight.
Oh, I like it.
1343
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,040
I love that.
I feel like we all each have
1344
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,480
come up with sort of like little
like tag lines you'd see in a
1345
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,000
movie review.
Right now.
1346
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,240
We need cams.
That's.
1347
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,640
What I was picturing in
quotations.
1348
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:09,840
You mean Moody shoegaze delight?
Dave, awesome closing thought
1349
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,840
for you.
If the situation didn't happen,
1350
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,800
what sort of album would we have
gotten?
1351
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:22,600
Oh.
A big boom boom boom boom boom.
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01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,080
Like very exciting album.
Like normal people.
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01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,600
Things I was going to say.
More like normal people things.
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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,760
Either that or a calmer album
like Sober was.
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01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,040
That makes sense too.
They both make sense.
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01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,960
Tell us your thoughts.
Just can't imagine if this
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01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,120
situation didn't happen.
What happened?
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01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:51,520
You do you know what I mean?
I know and you wonder what was
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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,680
what was written pre February
exactly?
1360
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,000
What was scratched?
What was that's?
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01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,440
What I want to know?
How much is from then?
1362
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:08,200
Or do they scrap, scrap it all,
start over again and even with
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sober.
Because every single, yeah,
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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:19,560
every single song on this album
is about the situation around
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the situation.
We can surmise, or that's how we
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01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,840
interpret it, or that's what it
certainly seems like.
1367
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,640
We do know for a fact that
everything involving the album
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01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,720
was after.
I believe they said they were
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01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:38,440
going to release another EP, but
they just completely scrapped
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01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:39,120
all of it.
That's.
1371
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,840
Right.
There's only there's only like 1
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01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,160
lyric that made it through which
was I'm afraid I broke a string
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01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,760
and everything else is is brand
new.
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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,320
From my understanding a brand
new.
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01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,480
That's right, yeah.
I heard that they had scrapped a
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01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:02,320
whole EP, but I didn't know when
that was.
1377
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,160
That's interesting.
Yeah, it was.
1378
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Like an ironic line to keep.
Yeah, that's my understand.
1379
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,160
I like I've that's what I've
heard from from like different
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01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:30,560
outlets.
OK kind of related, does anyone
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01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,760
have trouble listening to you
sober without getting like
1382
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,440
stressed out?
I can't really listen.
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01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:38,120
I I'll.
Play I love you sober.
1384
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,600
But it makes me sad because it's
that year and.
1385
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,920
It's it's the end of the era.
And I.
1386
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,840
Untimely end.
I feel like by the time it came
1387
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:56,000
out they didn't even want to.
I think I had.
1388
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,800
To release it for whatever
reason.
1389
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:03,200
Because they teased it forever.
They did all the right things
1390
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,720
that you're supposed to do.
Tease a song 20 times before you
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01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,000
release it.
And then all hell broke loose.
1392
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,680
And I feel like it was kind of a
shield.
1393
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:18,320
It was, it was this wall to put
so it would catch all the
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01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,000
negativity so the album would be
able to breakthrough.
1395
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,240
That's what it found to me.
Sorry.
1396
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,160
That was really loud that.
Was a good that's a good take
1397
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,560
that's a good take and I'm you
know it's good they did that
1398
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,160
actually it's convenient that
they had that shield then
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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,000
because.
For me.
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And a music video in the tank,
you know?
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Yeah, I don't remember like
seeing anything relating to it
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01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,240
until it released.
I wasn't on Twitter at the like.
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01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,160
I didn't.
Oh, OK.
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01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,840
Yeah, they teased it a lot.
Not a little like after the
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01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,480
situation, like they come around
in the situation.
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01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:57,720
No, they were radio silence.
Sorry.
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01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,960
Andrew just dropped it on a
random Wednesday.
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01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,760
Yeah, or Thursday.
It was Wednesday.
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01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,760
Thursday.
Yeah, it was super random.
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01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,640
I.
Well, well, nothing's more than
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an MSR.
Well, thank everybody.
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Thank you all for joining us.
Thank you so much for letting.
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Your thoughts in the comments?
We love it so much thank you for
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listening as always, be sure to
follow all the Lovejoy nation
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01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:31,560
social, especially TikTok.
Please LVJY nation just like
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01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,000
every other channel, almost 8800
followers trying to get 10,000
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01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,600
and we have a great prize
giveaway courtesy of Angie once
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that milestone is reached.
So please, I please and thank
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you and.
Thank you, Cam.
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Thank you.
So much for your this was a
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01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,240
dream come true.
This has been awesome.
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01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:01,440
See that approval?
That's how I've been here for.
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That's how I've.
Been stamp of approval.
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Yes.
Thanks for coming, Cam.
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It was great to have you.
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Hello, we are Lovejoy and you
are listening to the Lovejoy
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Podcast.
Hello Lovejoy Nation podcast.
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Hello love and joyers.
Facts are coming.
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One simple trick.
Lovejoys full length debut album
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6 months old.
Yay.
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Now we're going to dig in, dig
into it, revisit it at the last
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time we talked about it was when
it first came out.
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We had jotted down our initial
impressions of the album and
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went through the songs.
So then now we're going to sort
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of revisit with our feelings and
thoughts have changed from then
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and to now and spend some time
on the lyrics of each song and
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different interpretations we've
come up with since we've had
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this long to listen to it over
and over and over and over
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again.
Yeah, awesome.
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OK oh, but before we do that,
Cam, we're just taking, you
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know, you've been sitting here
such a gentleman.
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Cameron from Detroit, MI Detroit
Red Ring fan.
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Been a Wilbur fan since
2019-2020 SMP Live.
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Oh yeah.
Your most recent Lovejoy gig was
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in Detroit in the fall.
Anything else you would like to
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share?
I loved there's always good in
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the band and the good that
happened was when the band gets
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smaller they feel more connected
and I just loved being able to
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meet like my my 4 idols.
Ma.
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It was it was the coolest
experience of my life.
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I have to agree with that was
like an an emotional amazing fun
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most fun time ever it.
Was it was the best concert I've
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ever been to.
And that that's coming from an
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unbiased standpoint, as unbiased
as I can be.
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Right.
But I think I know what you
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mean.
Like I think we've maybe spoken
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about this and I don't know if
Dave possibly as well.
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I'm trying to remember when
these conversations have
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occurred, that there was a
period of time where we were
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worried about our little, silly
little band getting too big.
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And, you know, we'd be happy for
them, but we were afraid they're
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getting too big.
And then you know.
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Things happen too quick.
Yeah, big, fast.
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That's true.
And.
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Given that it's sort of like
starting over a bit in their
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life cycle, maybe this we
wouldn't have had this
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opportunity for meet and greets,
these intimate venues if things
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had been different.
Yeah.
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So selfishly, it's a good.
Point.
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Yeah.
Luxury went from zero to
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3,000,000 monthly listeners in
like 2 days.
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It was, it was wild.
And it was just really like I
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remember crying when I couldn't
get a ticket to my first to the
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first concert until they
upgraded and it was just like it
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was, it was really, it was a
really anxiety like anxious
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experience.
But now that everyone's like
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closer together, it, it feels
great.
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I, I love, I love this band and
everyone, everyone that's still
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a fan loves the band.
And we've been lucky, fortunate
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enough to see them over the
years.
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And I think we can all agree, or
we can agree that the these
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latest shows, this latest tour
has been more fun, more like
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energetic, exuberant, exciting
than ever before.
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I think having Wilbur put down
that guitar for some of the
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songs and just seeing his joy
and confidence made us just like
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it was.
Just making me jealous because.
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Yeah.
I am waiting.
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Hey, hey, you've got to hear it
before everyone.
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Right.
And that was a tiny little bar.
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Yeah, I mean, that goes into the
first listening experience.
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Yes, 250 people, friends and
family, everybody behind the
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scenes were there.
And it was a very, very special
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moment.
I'm not, I'm not going to lie.
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But was it the gig that you
folks are talking about?
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It was not riotous.
It was not jumping around hot
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and sweaty.
It was.
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You didn't even know any of the
lyrics at that point.
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No.
It was just that's it, you know,
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they played Rob.
Yeah, we all know this one.
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So it was a totally different
experience.
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Yeah, but you know, it's coming,
so that's exciting too to look
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forward to.
You'll get it, Dave.
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OK, it's happening.
It's.
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Happening.
It's happening and if I win, if
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I win some like major award of
pot of money, I'll be over there
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too, don't forget.
About me too.
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You're going to split it, right?
Yeah.
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I'll throw you 1000.
So overall thoughts on Wincible
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Trick then versus now.
So where was your first?
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We've talked about when we first
listened to the album so, but we
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haven't heard from Cam on that.
So how did you first hear the
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songs?
Hear the album?
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So I was in bed like getting
because I had school the next
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morning at 6:00 and I was so
excited to hear it I literally
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could not fall asleep.
So I waited and listened to it,
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and then I listened to it again,
and then again, and then finally
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went to bed.
So you were a midnight listener?
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Oh yeah, definitely cool.
Did you have?
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Headphones or out loud you heard
it.
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I had headphones, there's no way
I would risk that.
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Angie had the headphones.
Too.
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I did that too I I was a
midnight listener with
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headphones as well.
In here till like 6:00 that
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night actually, because I was
weird.
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Really.
Yeah.
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I waited to listen with my
daughter.
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So we put on the YouTube and saw
like the watched it through
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YouTube with the little like
videos going on the screen, you
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know, of all the instruments and
Wilbur.
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Yeah.
And I took my notes for this
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podcast at that time.
That whole day must have been
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torture, not trying to listen to
it.
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No, I was just excited, looking
forward to it.
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It's like, you know, it's
coming, so.
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Yeah, I, I could message in the
group chat.
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Oh my God.
And it's like, I haven't
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listened to it yet.
And then we're all like.
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I didn't want to listen to it,
like, like on my work computer,
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little speaker, you know, I
wanted to just do it proper, sit
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in my living room, comfortable
after dinner, like, just soak it
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in.
Yeah.
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That makes sense.
I would have sat in the car and
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done it at lunchtime, yeah.
My daughter got me into the
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band, so I wanted to experience
it with her.
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Yeah, whether she liked it.
Did you listen from the start
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all the way through or did you
skip a couple that you already
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knew and go to this?
My very first listen I I
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listened to the whole album but
only 5 seconds of each single
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and then I skipped it and then
did that for the rest of the
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ones and then the second list
and I listened to it all the way
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through.
OK.
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That's interesting.
Interesting year strategy for
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that.
I like that, yeah.
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It's curious just to, you know,
because I went straight to Death
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box.
That's the first one I listened
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to because I'd listened to
everything else.
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Oh, they didn't play that one.
They didn't play that.
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That's right.
So I went straight to death box.
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So it's good to get somebody
else's point of view of how or
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did they skip the first couple
of tracks?
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Did they skip the tracks that we
knew?
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You know, I want to want, I want
to know why.
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And it may just be a technical
reason why they didn't play
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Death Box in London.
Was it?
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Yeah.
It's curious choice, was it how
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we don't have the right
equipment to?
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Add it to the list of questions
you want me to ask.
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Along with our gifts.
And I'll just print that off
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forum and say, yeah, carrier
bags full of gifts and a file of
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questions underneath my arm.
That's why you have to go to VIP
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twice.
Once for us, once for you.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Oh, you're back again.
Yeah, Yeah.
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He'll be thrilled.
So Cam, was there a an instant
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favorite on your first listen
and is it still your favorite?
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My jaw dropped at the first like
3 seconds of baptism because
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there was just like boom, that's
that's the album.
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But my favorite was still Common
touch.
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Like that's just been my
consistent favorite.
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Everything besides it has been
up and down like my list.
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That's.
But yeah, that's.
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So real.
It was, it was.
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It was always common touch.
Because I totally agree with
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you, that first little part of
baptism.
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Feel like I've been baptized by
the band.
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See.
You need that shirt.
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You need my shirt then.
I know I was.
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I was about to buy it today and
then I realized I just spent all
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my money on a baseball game.
Get your priorities right.
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Yeah.
So interested to know whether
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Leslie, Angie, whether your
favourites has changed?
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I guess I can't say that they
have like I have like a White
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shark Cafe day where I just
cannot get enough and I'll have
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a common touch day of his
recent.
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I must have played it like 20
times in a row.
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So like that sort of thing.
But my like fave fave from the
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get go has always been Death
Block.
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That one does get stuck in my
head the most.
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I think I was too overwhelmed at
first to have a favorite,
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although exactly what Cam said
that that that first part of
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baptism, and I think it was just
because it was the first song on
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the album.
I was like, what in the heck is
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this?
Oh my gosh, in a good way.
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I'm going to say that reaction
is how I felt listening to Come
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On Girl Spit it Out.
I was like, what?
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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he went there.
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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I have favorites now.
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I I thought I was crazy when I
first.
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Really good.
It's so good and it's so just
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straight to the point good.
It's almost like, did he really
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say that?
I can't believe he said that.
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Yes, he said it and I love it.
It's great.
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And.
Did anything surprise you on
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your first listen to the album?
1st.
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Apart from the news.
Vibe.
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The real like the vibe in All in
all honesty, I was hoping for
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like a full Pebble brain type of
like like music, but if that
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makes sense.
But like I was really like
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pleasantly surprised with it's
more alternative rock.
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Yeah, that's even though it's
always been classified on
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Spotify as alternative.
But like that it felt more more
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rough as in beat you up rough,
not like bad rough.
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Right.
I'm not sure if I explained that
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right, but you get the point.
Well, Angie has a good way of
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explaining.
Like a metal, heavy metal, sort
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of, yeah.
But like sound you always
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describe.
Yes, yes, that that's what I'm
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talking about.
Yeah.
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Like it makes me want to get in
a fight.
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Yeah, yeah, because I find I
listen to, I've been listening
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to Alt Nation more because
that's where Lovejoy has always
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been.
That's always been its home on
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Sirius.
But those songs just seem too
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soft and they don't feel feel
like they fit there anymore.
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But they're still, they're
always classified as
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alternative.
So I'm not sure where else they
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would belong.
I left another station is more
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fit.
But the whole, I mean, we, we
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could talk for hours just on the
alternative genre, you know, you
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say they don't fit, but then
next thing you know, you're
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listening to The Cure, you're
listening to Susie and the
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Banshees, Depeche Mode.
It all still fits.
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I guess today's alternative
isn't the same, I guess, Cam, do
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you see what I mean?
Like I think R.E.M.
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Maybe was more like what Lovejoy
is now or that Chili Peppers
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like 92.3 K Rock was the station
we had in New York that.
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Was those kinds red Hot Chili
Peppers?
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Stone Temple Pilots like those
were all considered alternative,
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but now it's not what you hear
on alternative stations.
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Yeah, yeah, with the chilies,
you know you've got blood sugar.
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Sex magic very much rock.
Yeah.
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And then you've got
Californication, which is a lot
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older and and and slower.
Every band does change.
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There are songs on OST that
would fit into Pebble.
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The Pebble Brain kind of thing.
Yeah.
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They are a little different, but
you could slot them in.
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Yeah, I feel like it's more,
Yeah, yeah.
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It's more similar to Wake up
when It's over with, like
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Portrait and Warsaw.
Yeah, I see that.
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Yeah.
A little bit heavier, not so
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like poppy sounding.
Yeah, yeah.
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Perfect, perfect explanation.
Which is why I suspected that
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this might be possible, not
impossible, that they might
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decide to do a name change.
Because I've met people and when
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I say the band's Lovejoy, they
think like, very poppy, like
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happier, almost like.
Yeah.
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Than what it is, but maybe they
like the juxtaposition of it not
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sounding like.
Yeah, like I feel like switching
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from the cat to the ghost was
them trying to say, hey, we're
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we're more hardcore than we used
to be.
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Or like, not scary, but like, I
don't know.
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How it's heavier?
Like, like, yeah, like that.
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His lyricism calls for it, too.
It's not just bubble gum pop
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music.
Yeah, because I'll admit, when I
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first saw the cover of I'm like,
Oh my gosh, are they going to
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become a metal band or
something?
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But I've I've grown to love the
cover.
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I got LED to sign my vinyl.
Cool.
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Oh, because she designed, she
drew it, she made it or
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whatever.
That's cool.
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This is probably a hot take.
Indie music is not my thing.
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I I gravitate towards muddle.
So what about grunge?
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I I like grunge, it depends on
how heavy the grunge is.
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And I know Lovejoy like with
wake up but it's over.
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There was there was clearly some
grunge influences in there which
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I liked.
I mean scum hello full of grunge
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normal people.
Things.
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Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes.
And, and there's a reason why
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some of my favorite Lovejoy
songs are those heavier songs.
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So for me, it's been fantastic
to watch them evolve into this
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sound because this sound happens
to be what I like.
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And I I still obviously love
their older stuff.
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That's what got me hooked on it,
even though it wasn't typically
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my thing.
But I love the direction they've
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gone.
I really like like what they've
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done too.
It's kind of like a reverse of
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what My Chemical Romance did
because I never liked like,
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Danger Days is good, but it's
just nothing like what they used
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to have.
And I think it's kind of the
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opposite of what Lovejoy did.
Even though I love all of
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Lovejoy's songs, I can't name, I
can only name one I'm not super
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big on, which is Golden Hour
somewhere.
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I can't even think of it.
It's never in my mind.
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I do not like that song.
That's the first one I'd listen
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to on repeat like a million
times in a day.
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That's funny.
I just I like singing with this.
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It doesn't scratch my brain like
everything else does.
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No, but.
That's what's interesting.
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I love this.
There are a few that I don't
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love.
Actually.
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This.
Yeah, perfect blue for me, you
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know.
Despite your like.
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Oh, me too.
Actually, I think that I'm that
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marked as my least favorite
besides the visuals.
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OK, well let me just go back
real quick because I just had a
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thought, Cam, because we've
talked about this before too.
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Were you concerned before
hearing the new album?
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Were you like, worried for this
album?
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Absolutely, absolutely.
We worked.
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I was.
So when I saw that little romp,
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I'm like, oh, I hope it's not
What?
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I just don't want them to
immediately change like genres.
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I just like, like I, I didn't
think it wouldn't be.
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We didn't think it wouldn't be
good.
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But there's just so much riding
on it that it was scary.
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Like it was scary.
And I'm like, they must be so
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scared.
If we're feeling anxious, they
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must be, unless they're just so
confident.
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I also I was scared when I heard
the initials were going to be
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OST because I thought they were
going to name it Original
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Soundtrack.
Yeah.
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Just like everybody else, that's
all it was.
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It was very, very clever when he
dropped OST because all people
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could think about was original
soundtrack.
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And once that's lodged in your
brain, it, it was difficult to
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you know what, what else does it
mean?
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But soon as it was one simple
trick, it was like.
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How did we not think to that?
Yeah, I hadn't really heard that
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expression before, to be honest.
Like I get what they're what it
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means, but I didn't, it wasn't
like a in my vernacular, but so
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I didn't didn't resonate with me
in that way.
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So.
When I heard it was one simple
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trick, I was thinking of like
those those like ads I'd play on
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like right before like SpongeBob
plays.
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It's like a medicine and it's
like 1 simple trick with this
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one simple tablet, right?
To make you lose a billion
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pounds in 40 minutes.
Yeah, yeah.
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Because apparently like there
are some advertisers that do
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actually use that terminology,
which I worry sometimes when I'm
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putting in my hashtags because
you hashtag one simple trick.
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I'm sure there's like a
bazillion not look to related.
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Yeah, different main, you know.
You know, just like there's
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multiple Lovejoy bands, there's
multiple things that were are
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referred to as one simple trick.
So in a way, I wish it was a
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little bit more truly.
There's unique in that so that
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when you hashtag it, it's.
Yeah.
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It's not all over the place, but
we were going to talk about the
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visuals We had.
This is the cover done by
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Elodie.
We had the fox, the whiskey
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glass, the finger gun.
Yeah, initial impressions on
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all, on the graphics, on the
artwork.
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The fox made me sad.
With the Bunny right had the.
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Bunny.
Yeah, well, I didn't know what.
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Go ahead.
Heck, the cover was.
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Yeah, First I thought it was
Mark.
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I thought it was Mark maybe in
his ghost costume.
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Yeah.
And I'm like, oh, it's, it's
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married.
Or a nun.
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Yeah, the album looked like a
nun and a nun.
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Yeah.
And then soon as somebody it
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looks like a horse, all I can
see is a horse.
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Oh horse.
I see this is the snout and
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that's the eye.
Oh my God, me, it's a horse.
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Yeah.
And then I thought is is it
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somebody wearing a horse's head?
Do you know what I mean?
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Can you?
You've only just seen the horse.
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Yes, I.
Always.
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Yeah, I just saw I can't.
Get away from these nostrils
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because how does a sheet over
your head have nostrils?
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Yes.
See, this is Ash's goatee and
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that's his nose and that's his
eye, and then this thing right
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here, See, these are like his
fingers and he's got this rubber
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glove on because he's doing the
dishes.
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I don't know.
I think it's a nun.
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The more I thought about it, I'm
like.
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Maybe that's the point.
Maybe that's the point is for
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everybody to is for it not to be
clear what it is.
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Yeah, like I say, originally I
thought it was a nun.
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Now I'm questioning everything.
Nun leaning back with the habit
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kind of falling.
I really see the horse though
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too.
Yeah.
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Yeah, that weird thing.
Out now, so I'm sitting
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somebody.
Staring at this now, isn't it?
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He's a horse.
It's like the duck rabbit
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optical illusion, but yeah.
But I think it's a non or the
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Virgin Mary.
I thought this was like a goat,
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like a sheet, like someone in a
ghost costume that's a sheet.
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But then I couldn't understand
why there'd be nostrils.
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Like you wouldn't see the
nostrils in the eyes so clearly.
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Well, and the mouth, you see.
Our mouth straw pad, it really
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throws you off.
I like the other like the other
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ghost I think is like cuz I like
it cuz it's a cutesy.
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Like when I decorate for
Halloween, I like the cute
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decorations, not scary ones.
So I like the ghost that's like
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00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,800
their Spotify ghost.
It's more like Pac-Man kind of
381
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,240
cute.
And Mark's drumhead.
382
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,520
Ghost.
Is that the same one right?
383
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,920
I I like the analog horror
thing, I'm all in for the
384
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,000
visuals, but the album cover is
definitely up to interpretation
385
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,240
and I think maybe that's part of
it actually, having thought
386
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,240
about it a little more.
Yeah, absolutely.
387
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,200
Nobody really knows what it is.
They have done their job because
388
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,920
we have four or five different
theories drop down.
389
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,200
But like, that doesn't look like
a person's face though.
390
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,360
Now you're confusing me.
Do you think that looks like a
391
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:51,480
person's face?
Yes.
392
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,560
They're laying back.
The nostrils are huge.
393
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,320
What is it?
That's because.
394
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,120
We're looking like how big man.
But the mouth's like, not mouth.
395
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,320
I think it's a mustache.
It's all jaggedy.
396
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,360
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
397
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,720
Yeah.
We're all just.
398
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,680
Like this is what?
Oh, here we go.
399
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,160
Yeah.
See.
400
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,440
Oh, it's more like that.
It is more like that.
401
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,760
It's.
Like you need to do that again.
402
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,920
Yeah, so the face is covered.
Yeah, do it again, Cam.
403
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,560
On there for about 5-5 or 10
seconds.
404
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,200
Oh, this is going to be our
thumbnail.
405
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,880
This is perfect.
Everybody react.
406
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,360
There you go, you can stop now.
That's right.
407
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,320
Like you'd be sucking in the the
the cloth in your mouth to make
408
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,000
it look like that.
Yeah.
409
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,040
And then pushing up your
nostrils.
410
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,760
That's probably what they did.
Oh my gosh.
411
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,840
Their nostrils.
Yeah.
412
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,040
Oh, that sounds painful.
Somebody knows the help?
413
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,480
Oh, they painted their face
white.
414
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,080
That could be.
But their face is cloth.
415
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,200
Over here, what do you I don't
understand what you're.
416
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,000
Their face is.
This is.
417
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,160
Cloth or it's a statue.
It's a whole.
418
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,400
Origin Mary statue.
How put the worst because I
419
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,760
can't Unsee it.
What you say my brain hurts now?
420
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,440
You got to explain people this
delivering thing if they're
421
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,440
listening for the first time.
I work for a big brown delivery
422
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:27,480
company and I was out delivering
and a fox jumped out of a litter
423
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,000
bin.
Oh no, with a chicken in its
424
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,280
mouth.
Cooked chicken.
425
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,840
I.
Just stood there and he just
426
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,840
looked at me well and it was
just like the front cover.
427
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,800
Oh.
I did get a picture, but not of
428
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,480
the angle I would have liked to
have done he.
429
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,160
Didn't pose for.
You.
430
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,800
No, he didn't.
I looked at him, got the phone
431
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,240
out and then he was like
crunching on bones.
432
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,560
So.
There's song Cam that and I
433
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,760
guess this for all of us that
grew on you that maybe at first
434
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,040
was just, oh, it was good, but
now it's like really?
435
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,920
Perfect blue.
Oh, I I thought it was kind of
436
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800
mid at first, but then I'm like
wow, this is pretty good.
437
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Perfect blue.
For me it was White Shark Cafe.
438
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,600
Everybody's going, I think White
Shark Cafe as well, and I agree
439
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,880
with you there.
So then, Dave?
440
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,840
What do you say?
Scoundrels.
441
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,840
Scoundrels.
Scoundrels is really scoundrels.
442
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,680
Not from the bottom, but
scoundrels First initial lesson
443
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,760
properly scoundrels was above
Rob and things like that.
444
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,760
But now Scoundrels is joint top
for me with monochrome.
445
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,000
Monochrome is my least listen to
song.
446
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,200
Oh wow.
OK.
447
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,160
Is it because it's mellow at the
end and you want more?
448
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,200
Like the heavier faster?
Stuff.
449
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,400
I'm not sure.
I think it's because I like, I
450
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,360
have the actual number here.
I think it's just because it's
451
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,960
the end of the album and like, I
don't want to listen to you know
452
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,680
what?
Yeah, it's the least listen to
453
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,640
on Spotify as well.
I noticed that, Yeah, really.
454
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,840
And it's probably the same
reason I'm guessing.
455
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Sure.
Yeah.
456
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Very, very interesting.
This Dave can't answer this
457
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,400
necessarily.
Sorry Dave, but trust to move us
458
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,480
along.
Is there a song that live hooked
459
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,160
you in that seeing it live was
like made it even better.
460
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,840
An even better song, but change
the experience for you.
461
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720
I can answer that.
OK, OK.
462
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,840
Go.
Ahead, Foxholes.
463
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560
The Joe Solo.
I love Joe.
464
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Yeah.
That was so amazing to hear
465
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:11,200
you've had more parts.
I I'm a an OG Foxholes fan since
466
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760
first heard it and I was
concerned, Not that I was
467
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,720
concerned that Joe wouldn't do a
good job, but I loved Wilbur
468
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,440
doing the end.
So it took me a little to get
469
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,080
over that change.
But I still love love love love
470
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Foxholes.
It's right up there, right next
471
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,320
to the death box.
It was wild because Summerfest
472
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,400
is the first time I remember
them making that change.
473
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,880
And just hearing that for the
first time is like, whoa.
474
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:51,960
It I I love, I love that Joe.
It has a bit more of a prominent
475
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,400
role in his vocals, but that's
neither here nor there.
476
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,840
That's a different topic.
So I won't talk about that.
477
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,000
White Shark Cafe for me, White
Shark Cafe again.
478
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:07,080
I think hearing it live really
helped me enjoy it so that I
479
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,120
didn't like it before but I love
it now.
480
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,400
I remember White Shark Cafe from
the gig, but I've been recently
481
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,560
looking back at some of the
videos that I did take and for
482
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,520
me it was Monochrome and I've
been a little listening to
483
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Monochrome very recently more
off of my own video.
484
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,200
I really, really liked
Monochrome the first time I
485
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480
heard it.
Still like it.
486
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,240
I guess it's the the boots
staring indie thing in me,
487
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,320
whatever you want to call it,
that particular genre.
488
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,840
But I've been looking back at
that and realizing how fantastic
489
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,960
it was, but not realizing it at
the time.
490
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,440
I know Angie has.
Strong feelings for Monochrome
491
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,560
as well.
That song is right up there.
492
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,960
It's it's such a special song.
I heard it live for the first
493
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,560
time.
Just chill.
494
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,200
I think Boycher Cafe Live and
Fatal Live made those songs
495
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,640
higher, you know, Elevate.
Plus Wilbur dancing around to
496
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,800
them and the Moves.
And after seeing a couple of the
497
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,560
shows, I know we're spoiled
brats, you begin to, like, see
498
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,920
the same moves come back as he
is, like his routine.
499
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,400
Yeah.
And you can.
500
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,880
And as you're listening to the
songs, you can picture it, too.
501
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,360
I think that made a big impact
seeing this this performance on
502
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440
stage for those two especially.
Making me jealous again for.
503
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Sure.
And baptism, of course.
504
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360
When Wilbur comes out, like shot
out of a cannon, like jumping in
505
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,680
the air, like shoot, it was
like, all right, here we go.
506
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,720
That was great.
That's it.
507
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,240
There was no he He had a guitar
all the time at the London show.
508
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,520
So yeah, he did his typical
playing the guitar, moving
509
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,640
around a bit.
Do you think he looked nervous?
510
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:11,040
I think they were nervous.
I think Joe was drunk, I really
511
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,120
do.
If you look at some of the
512
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,520
videos when he first came on,
when he first put his guitar on,
513
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,560
I thought you've had one too
many.
514
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,480
But he still did it.
Yeah.
515
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,120
And I'm also wondering because
of the technical difficulties
516
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,920
they had for normal people
things.
517
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,800
You know, I think it was a
celebratory.
518
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,800
Night.
I didn't notice it.
519
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Yeah, really didn't notice it.
But.
520
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640
But were they nervous?
Yes, because they had all the
521
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,040
family and friends, all the
girlfriends, everybody was there
522
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,200
and.
I think we should get into the
523
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,920
lyrics part right.
I mean I.
524
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
Take a bit baptism.
As I was, as I was going through
525
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,120
these songs, I actually had a
few moments of, Oh, yeah, how
526
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,720
did I not think of that before?
For this song, when Joe's
527
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,480
talking about the baptism's over
again, it gives you that feeling
528
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
that, OK, this is happening over
and over and over.
529
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,320
And what is a baptism?
A baptism is supposed to be
530
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,080
something that happens once,
right?
531
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,800
In, in biblical terms, it's
washing you of your sin.
532
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,400
I'm cleansed.
I've paid the price.
533
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,200
I no longer have this sin.
Well, in this case, the person
534
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,000
who is singing is saying I've
paid my penance, I've been
535
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600
baptized, It hurts.
It's only supposed to happen
536
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440
once and I'm supposed to be
cleansed.
537
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,400
But yet it keeps happening over
and over and over again.
538
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,040
How much is enough?
When am I going to be clean from
539
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,400
the sin?
And that had a that had a little
540
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160
bit.
I mean, that's I open.
541
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,440
That could be a little personal.
Yeah.
542
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,440
Yeah, I feel like this song is
very personal.
543
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,600
I feel like this song is him
trying the character trying to
544
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,120
reinvent themselves.
Like like similar what Andy
545
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,680
said, they want to make a new
world, but they're not talking
546
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,960
about like a whole world.
They're talking about
547
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,960
themselves.
It feels like the character in
548
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,640
this song doesn't trust
themselves.
549
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,560
They're they're not talking
about someone else.
550
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,040
They're talking about himself.
It reminds me of, you
551
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
understand, when you're older,
the lyrics when it's like, you
552
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,480
can tell he's lying because it's
his lips move.
553
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Lips always move.
You can't.
554
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,640
You can't tell that.
But yeah, I've listened to this
555
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,120
song 420 times.
Loser.
556
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200
I'll, I'll tell you how much
I've listened to the entire
557
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,240
album at the end, but he's like,
he's talking about a mirror.
558
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
I've listened to messages in
400.
559
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,280
Yeah, that's one times.
I kind of run it already.
560
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Because you know, sometimes I
take the when you see the music
561
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,440
video, you kind of take it
literally.
562
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760
So when he's like.
I ignore the music videos when
563
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,720
I'm coming up with theories.
I feel like they're two
564
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240
different things.
I I absolutely agree with that,
565
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,880
yeah.
Two different interpretations
566
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,680
out of the the billions you can
come up with.
567
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Yeah.
What you got, Leslie?
568
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Yeah.
Well, no, because you guys blew
569
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,000
my mind.
So OK.
570
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,200
But when he says I see someone
else in my heart like these, I
571
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
swear these lyrics like make my
eyes feel up just saying them
572
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,080
out loud because I feel like
that's again, I can't help but
573
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,960
picture it's be it's will
himself, especially given we
574
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,840
feel like this is personal song
and given his experience that
575
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,360
he's referring to, he knows he's
someone.
576
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,760
He knows he's not the person
people are labeling him as.
577
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200
He sees someone else in his
heart.
578
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,880
In his heart.
He knows he's a good soul like A
579
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,239
and I or however you want to say
it.
580
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,280
He knows who he is inside and
that that line breaks my heart.
581
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,400
I think each of these songs has
a line or more that break my
582
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,360
heart.
But that was when I just wrote
583
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,400
down going through this for this
X, this exercise and no one's
584
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
really mentioned that line yet.
So that's why I'm bringing it up
585
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,239
do.
You need a tissue.
586
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000
No, that's good.
That's good.
587
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,679
Sorry.
I know when I see my reflection,
588
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,800
I don't see myself.
I think that also had to do
589
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,159
with, and this comes up later in
another song, how he looked
590
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,040
different when he was going
through it.
591
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,360
He his appearance drastically
changed and so he no longer like
592
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,800
saw himself in the mirror, but
in his heart he's still him and
593
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,120
he knows who he is.
And I just sorry, I just caught
594
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,880
that on my on my chicken scratch
pad here and had to bring them
595
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,640
all righty pain display Cam
loves this song and why?
596
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Yeah, I just like the Pebble
brain vibe to it.
597
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,320
I, I like, have almost no notes
written down for this, but I
598
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,200
like what what Wilbur said,
according to lovejoylocal.net.
599
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,240
But it's like he said, modern
life feels rented, even
600
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,200
salvation.
Like you don't own anything.
601
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Name.
Name one thing you own.
602
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,840
You don't own it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
603
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,320
But yeah, I've like no notes
for.
604
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
That what's so good about it.
I love the music video and I
605
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,760
like I picture it like I picture
the elevator like bouncing like
606
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,200
at certain points.
Angie, what what you got?
607
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,960
So I really love the line.
You know, nothing's really lost.
608
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,400
It's all just redistribution.
And by the way, I love the way
609
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,240
he says redistribution.
It's so cool that light has a
610
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,640
religious nod to it.
Again, in the Bible, there's
611
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
more than one example where it
talks about you've been made
612
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,560
from dust.
You start out with dust, you end
613
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560
up as dust.
And the Bible you uses dust a
614
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,280
lot to symbolize, you know.
Mortality.
615
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Or maybe a better a better
example is spiritual non
616
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,800
religious.
I think it was Carl Sagan.
617
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,880
We are all made of Stardust.
So again, you're made of
618
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Stardust.
Eventually, you'll be back as
619
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,240
Stardust.
All we are is dust and.
620
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,840
Go on.
Yeah, yeah.
621
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Nothing's lost.
It just gets shuffled around and
622
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,760
I This is a great song to listen
to on headphones.
623
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,880
In the chorus.
I really enjoy how the bass and
624
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,280
the guitars, the three guitars,
I guess right, all mashed
625
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,720
together.
It's, it's intricate.
626
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440
I enjoy that part.
That's that's what I've got on
627
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,040
pay and display.
If you've all seen and I think
628
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,200
we had it, I've posted the
interview or the appearance of
629
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Lovejoy on a radio station
dissecting this song, going
630
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,680
through it that's out there on
YouTube and way when Wilbur's
631
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,000
standing there and he does that
little bop to it.
632
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,280
I can't not do that bop or hear
that now ever since seeing that
633
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,840
clip.
So check it out.
634
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,000
It's on YouTube pain display.
It's on the radio's channel.
635
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,960
I posted a little clip of it on
TikTok and all that.
636
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,280
OK, but I think it's it's fun to
watch.
637
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200
And I just wanted to like say,
because the first time around we
638
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,040
went through these lyrics six
months ago, I don't know where I
639
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,680
I had this idea that he was
talking about suicide in the
640
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,400
beginning.
And I just wanted to say now
641
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,560
that I no longer think that.
So I don't know.
642
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,760
I'm taking that away, taking
that back just to to wrap up.
643
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,640
I the part where he when Wilbur
says, if you called me a bastard
644
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,600
and I would effing like it.
That's his continuing thread
645
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,120
theme of self loathing, self
deprecation that's in so many of
646
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,720
his songs, especially a
mammalian sign reflex.
647
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,840
It's just, it always breaks my
heart because it's just even
648
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,960
someone calling him a name and
treat him like dirt.
649
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,680
He would still like it, I guess,
because he likes he'd at least
650
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,480
be getting the attention from
that person perhaps.
651
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Is it He's so numb to it.
Right.
652
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:48,960
He'll take whatever you're going
to throw it in.
653
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Right.
And that's just heartbreaking.
654
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,080
And yeah, I'll leave it at that,
that I'll leave that my
655
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,400
interpretations there.
And now we're on to Rob.
656
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,160
And I know what I noticed on the
album cover, the lyrics bit on
657
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,120
the inside, they just call it
Rob.
658
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,560
I guess it was too long to fit,
but I think it's cute that it's
659
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,480
just Rob.
Let's face it, we all call it
660
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Rob.
It's true.
661
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,520
It's true.
We all know what you're talking
662
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,960
about.
What song?
663
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,240
I'm gonna.
You dope.
664
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Did I fall right into that or
what?
665
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,720
Yes.
Well, felt like he did at the
666
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:29,920
end of the video.
Boom boom.
667
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,760
When Rob came out, I, I, I liked
it.
668
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,360
It, I didn't love, love, love
it, And I think part of that is
669
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,040
because I was unsure.
I'm like, is this the the new
670
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,880
sound?
Is this?
671
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,680
What is this what their stuff is
going to sound like?
672
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,560
Because it was pretty.
It was pretty poppy, right?
673
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Yeah, it's definitely, it's
definitely a pop rock song, so I
674
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,640
wasn't sure about it.
Hearing it within the context of
675
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,120
the rest of the album has
allowed me to enjoy it a lot
676
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640
more.
I like it now as a piece of the
677
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,720
entire album puzzle.
It does have a pop.
678
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,320
Punk kind of sound, a really
catchy hook, a good melody.
679
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,280
It's polished.
It's still rock, but it's a
680
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,640
little more accessible.
I didn't realize how sarcastic
681
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
some of the lyrics are.
What is it?
682
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,720
I was getting too tired.
How did I look at it?
683
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,240
About the app?
Yeah.
684
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:29,640
Yeah.
About.
685
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Growing tired of the apogee.
I was growing tired of the
686
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,000
apogee that seems a little
sarcastic, like, Oh yeah, you
687
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,880
know, I was just, you know,
getting ready to headline or
688
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,440
play at Coachella.
But you know, it's fine, you
689
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,840
know?
Yeah, I've got their rise to
690
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,240
stardom sess.
They were getting tired of it.
691
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,920
So you know, they need to be
knocked down.
692
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Yeah, Yeah, I had that written
down as well, so.
693
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,520
So why don't you just go ahead
and keep everything?
694
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,680
I don't mind.
You can keep my stereo.
695
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,720
Go ahead.
So it it has more of a sarcastic
696
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,920
feel to me now than it did on
1st listen, but I appreciate it
697
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,680
a lot more now than I did when
the song was released.
698
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,240
Very interesting.
Like first lesson I had like a,
699
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,160
a 1984 type feel with like, you
know, the big man's got your
700
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,880
vote and all that.
Right.
701
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,880
The big man, Big Brothers.
OK.
702
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,400
It's interesting.
I was thinking, yeah, it does
703
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,120
sound very sarcastic.
I wrote that down.
704
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,720
Actually sarcastic.
Especially the apogee bit when
705
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,720
he says lack of focus.
Oh OK please be kind.
706
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,640
I felt was like Rob could equal
karma.
707
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,040
It's it's.
A very different emotion, that
708
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,960
line than than the rest.
The sarcasm.
709
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,360
Now he's just like, please,
please be kind.
710
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,960
And you know Rob's your only
witness.
711
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,880
Like they're watching.
That's I like that, Yeah, I.
712
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Don't know that was my my take
in this.
713
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,680
I really do like that.
Thank you.
714
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,320
White Shark Cafe.
Your lighting reminds me of
715
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,160
White Shark Cafe Live.
The background.
716
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it works.
Now you just got to jump around.
717
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Monday, jump around.
No, no.
718
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,560
OK.
Jump up.
719
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,280
Jump up, dude.
Down.
720
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,240
I.
Mean did the winding up thing he
721
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,040
does.
It's winding up, yes.
722
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,880
Yes.
Leaning back and winding.
723
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,680
Up.
Yeah, rub it in a bit more, why
724
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,880
don't you?
White Shark Cafe.
725
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,200
What have we got here?
What about you, Cam?
726
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,840
I love the visuals for this.
I love Kennedy announcing the
727
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,520
space program and it going up
into space and then coming back
728
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
down with like the astronaut
guy.
729
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:03,720
I just, I love what?
I just love old history and all
730
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,120
that Kennedy stuff.
And I know Wilbur does too.
731
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,880
Me too, Yeah, I like that.
I love the visuals.
732
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,600
They're so.
Yeah.
733
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,160
Oh, Groundhog Day.
He's he's talking about I stay
734
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,240
awake, miss every single day.
They're all the same.
735
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:23,800
They're all the same.
They're all the same.
736
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,160
They're all the same.
It's like Groundhog Day.
737
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,440
As well, Yeah, like he has
insomnia each day, runs into the
738
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,480
next.
And especially that during the
739
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,280
time where he was just wasting
away watching videos on a
740
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,040
laptop, right.
Yeah, not going out.
741
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Yeah, exactly.
Shock videos on the laptop.
742
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,120
I always thought it says shark.
I know there's been a lot of
743
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
like disputing that if it's
shark or shock, but I think it's
744
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,320
now written.
I think it's written.
745
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,280
It's like written down a shock.
Yeah.
746
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,880
Yeah, yeah.
And there's nothing better than
747
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,360
you.
Yeah.
748
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,880
I love that so much.
They have a lot of songs on here
749
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,480
with big hooks, catchy melodies.
This one is very steady
750
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,040
throughout.
It actually helps tie in the the
751
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,480
lyrics and the meaning of the
song.
752
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,400
Because it's flat, it doesn't
change.
753
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Everything is the same, right?
You know, yeah, I get that.
754
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Yeah.
Yeah.
755
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,880
There, there's no big changes.
Yeah, that's true.
756
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,920
Lovejoy has a lot of songs like
that where there's a lot of
757
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080
change UPS.
The chorus, you know, common
758
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,200
touch.
The chorus is way different than
759
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,720
the verses.
I think that all helps convey
760
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,880
the theme of the song.
What Cam just said is, well,
761
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880
about the same, Same, same,
same.
762
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Yes, they've.
Actually put that in with the
763
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
the tone, yeah.
I think White Shark Cafe is
764
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,400
actually the antithesis to
comment touch.
765
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,760
Piqued my interest.
The only other thing I want to
766
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
add was just the whole part
about like wasting way watching
767
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,720
the videos on the laptop.
Each day is the same basically,
768
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040
and that's saying that
anything's better than the
769
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,800
thought of you.
He's miserable, but he still
770
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,520
feels better off than being with
that person was the take away I
771
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,520
got from that.
Just saying.
772
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,880
Yeah, I, I, I think circuses and
and puppet shows is probably a
773
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:32,400
key phrase as well.
Is, is that about the perception
774
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:39,440
of how people see him, how he
sees what he's like?
775
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,800
You know it's a circus out there
on the Internet.
776
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,480
That's true.
It's very double sort of meaning
777
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,720
type thing.
I love all that stuff.
778
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,240
I'm I'm just listening to you
folks.
779
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,840
It's just like, Oh my God, yes,
Oh my God, yes, but I can't
780
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,640
always come up with that myself,
but I love listening and hearing
781
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,720
it.
It's it's good.
782
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,280
It's.
Interesting, right?
783
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,320
Yeah, yeah, move on.
A common touch because I want to
784
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,840
know how you're going to tie it
in, Angie.
785
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:24,480
So if White Shark Cafe is about
basically doom scrolling and
786
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,200
being bored, being locked away
like Howard Hughes, you're,
787
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,840
you're sitting in your room, you
have no human contact with
788
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,560
anybody.
You're just scrolling,
789
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,720
scrolling, scrolling.
It's it's like an addiction.
790
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Yep.
Common touch is like totally the
791
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,320
opposite.
And common touch is somebody
792
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,280
desperately wants that personal
connection, but it's so over
793
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,520
stimulating and so overwhelming
that they literally,
794
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:56,280
figuratively need to Guild their
hands.
795
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,280
It's it's like touching a live
wire to get out there and have
796
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,760
contact with a real person.
And even the instruments in the
797
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,080
chorus.
This is probably a bit of a
798
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,480
stretch, but the instruments in
the course are kind of like,
799
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,280
they almost even sound charged,
electrically charged.
800
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,840
So I feel like those two songs
fit together, but they're like
801
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,080
the opposites of each other.
Or maybe in White Shark Cafe,
802
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,440
the person gets sick of the doom
scrolling, decides they're going
803
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:34,280
to go out and want human
contact, but it's way too much,
804
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,800
way too overstimulating because
they haven't actually talked to
805
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,200
a real life person in forever.
I like that but.
806
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,800
Is it going on that theory?
Is it the fact that OK, we now
807
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,120
as a band have to get back out
there?
808
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Do you like that?
I don't know, Davey.
809
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,920
Dave, you're getting it.
You're getting it.
810
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Dave, but it's been explained,
but yes.
811
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,120
It's getting in the mindset of
like, thinking in that different
812
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,240
way, right?
It could very well be.
813
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Yeah, Is it that is it about
getting back out there as well,
814
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880
trying to fix things by
appealing to the people?
815
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,880
I don't know it's that kind.
Of meanwhile my my note was only
816
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
about Teresa.
I just love the way he says
817
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Teresa.
I just love it and I feel like
818
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,600
when he says effing Teresa, see
why do I keep getting the cursed
819
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,040
parts that I don't say?
Is that?
820
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,480
I think he's saying effing
Teresa because he's like Teresa.
821
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,800
Like I just remembered the name,
the name that rhymes of Jesus
822
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Teresa.
That's what I think that oh.
823
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Jesus.
I I want to I want to come back
824
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,400
to this.
Yeah, yeah, go Cam.
825
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,560
It's.
What name rhymes with Jesus?
826
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,400
Teresa I feel like is the
closest.
827
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,160
It's a pretty name, rhymes with
Jesus, Teresa because he says
828
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,640
Teresa, Jesus.
I feel like that's what it is.
829
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,040
That's why he's like remembering
it.
830
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,880
Dave says no.
Cam says no.
831
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,280
Angie says yes.
It's a girl versus guy thing, I
832
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,400
guess.
Yes, I think it's.
833
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,240
So we're we're automatically.
Right.
834
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Typical woman.
We, we, It's Wilbur's feminine
835
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,400
side that we're we're connecting
with.
836
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,160
I think it's close enough match
that it could be.
837
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,320
I'm going to agree with Leslie,
what else you guys got.
838
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,400
You have a better.
That's on my list of questions
839
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,280
for Wilbur one day.
Anything else before we move on,
840
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:48,880
Dave?
No perfect blue I'm going on I'm
841
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,960
I'm going on Angie's theory of
common touch Angie's theory on
842
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,360
white shark common touch.
Is this the next song in that
843
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,640
light in the darkness?
Is it an ode to the fans that
844
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,360
stuck by the band?
I don't know It did just sort of
845
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,840
list listening to what Angie
said this.
846
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,960
Obviously they've put songs in
order that they want to.
847
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,920
We know they've taken a couple
of tracks out, but we'll if and
848
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,320
when they go back in, will that
tell that story even further?
849
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,680
Will that fill in a gaps a bit
like the Star Wars episodes
850
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,480
answered questions, But I feel
like this is I feel like this
851
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
perfect Blue is is the follow
on.
852
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,800
He's he's come out, he's gone
outside the door.
853
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:49,120
And now is it a bit of a no to
fans saying thank you to them?
854
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Get what I mean?
I see it.
855
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,920
I like it.
Yeah, you know, on day one.
856
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,920
No, I get it.
I totally get it.
857
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,280
On day one, I thought this song
was about a relationship, like a
858
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,600
romantic relationship, and it's
still very well could be, but it
859
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,720
might not have to be.
I'm.
860
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:14,200
It feels more of like a loyalty
thing now then romantic and it
861
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,080
fits in with what Dave just
said.
862
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:22,600
And I used to think, OK, there's
these lines think were that had
863
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,800
a negative connotation, but
maybe they're not the where it
864
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,040
goes from from tit to teeth.
You're numb, leaking smiles from
865
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,880
a gasket slipped around your
tongue.
866
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
I always had like a really
negative connotation with that.
867
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,080
Maybe it's just the visual, like
a gasket slipped around your
868
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,960
tongue.
Sounds kind of nasty, right?
869
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,840
But maybe it's not negative.
Maybe it means that whoever this
870
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,080
is like they're keeping quiet.
They're not spilling the beans.
871
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,120
They're keeping a secret.
That was just some other, you
872
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,520
know, and that would tie in with
the whole loyalty or, or anybody
873
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,720
else's.
Leslie, sounds like you got
874
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,280
something for this one too.
I I love hearing people's ideas.
875
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,880
This is fun.
It's it's.
876
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,080
I'd rather learn like this than
sit in front of a screen
877
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,840
listening, trying to jot words
down.
878
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,200
I got some ideas and I don't
know if I watched them in the
879
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,200
first the first time we went
through these songs at all, but
880
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,800
I just picture that, you know,
I've got a pen and a napkin.
881
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,640
He's meeting.
I'm sorry.
882
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,560
I always kind of go back to the
same storyline meeting this
883
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,920
person that may be at a bar like
let's freaking hash this out.
884
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,760
What do I got to do here?
I got here, I got a napkin, I
885
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,040
got a pen.
What what do I have to give you
886
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,920
to like move on from this to to
make a settlement agreement to
887
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,120
settle?
What do you want from me?
888
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,680
Is what I was getting from that
name a number you want.
889
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Like he just wants to move on
and do whatever makes this
890
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,640
person happy to be like done
with them.
891
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,560
I feel like plumbing the same
dive bars is the dive bars are
892
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,120
the the socials.
I feel like it's the Twitter.
893
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
It's YouTube, the same dive
bars.
894
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,960
They're dive bars.
The street from the Street View
895
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,120
car, like seeing the page of the
thumbnails on of all the YouTube
896
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,200
videos is what I was picturing
looking from the outside, not
897
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,160
clicking in.
That's what the Street View car
898
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,080
is.
You know, that's what I imagine
899
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,240
it like social media for sure is
what I I get from that.
900
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,120
The person that they're talking,
dealing with and trying to like
901
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,040
wrap this relationship, whatever
it may be up with.
902
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,920
They're numb.
They have no emotion, but they,
903
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,960
you know, they can't help but
smile now and then, even though
904
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,160
they're trying not to.
That's the gask smiles through
905
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,440
the gasket around your tongue.
And I just then it gets like a
906
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,760
little sappy, right.
It goes.
907
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,680
I wish we could have just like
had a glass of wine and then I
908
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,200
think wants to leave off with
just remember the good days, the
909
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,040
good old days.
Remember when you used to say,
910
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,440
please just stay one day more.
Maybe that's that person that
911
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,400
that's not so nice to them
anymore used to say things like
912
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,720
that, like, oh, I wish you could
just stay an extra day.
913
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:24,600
That's where I go with that.
He's telling us, the audience to
914
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,880
learn from him.
Don't get yourself in this kind
915
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,240
of situation.
Don't try this at home because
916
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,120
he did say it was to us in that
recording that he made of him
917
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,280
sitting with the guitar.
I think it was on Reddit or
918
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,320
somewhere he was looking at the
camera.
919
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,680
He was looking, giving us a
warning to not try this at home.
920
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,080
That's my take.
Who wants to go next?
921
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,720
We're on to foxholes, aren't we?
I have to say the line with your
922
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,640
room temperature mimosa you
forgot to Chuck tonight.
923
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,960
I love that line and I don't
know what the hell it means but
924
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,480
just the visual I.
Love the visual of it.
925
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Yes.
In Brooklyn, I don't know if you
926
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,440
caught this, I'm sure you did
because I did too.
927
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
And same brain cell.
But he would go when he said
928
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920
Chuck, he would go like this
Chuck, like he's throwing
929
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,800
something.
Yeah.
930
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,920
And I just thought.
That I had my two favorite
931
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,960
lyrics with hearts next to him.
So he already said the one and I
932
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,160
feel like there's a guidebook
that everyone can read, but I, I
933
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,680
just.
Love that.
934
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,760
The lyricism of that, the way he
crafted that sentence, I adore.
935
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Yeah.
And again, like the imagining
936
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,080
this, actually, there's like
this a guidebook.
937
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,880
So I had that written down.
And as well as the dagger, to
938
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,040
me, the dagger line in this song
is I wonder if it's fun to be
939
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,320
emotionally bankrupt.
It's like, whoa, I think it's
940
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,800
like there's some anger here and
I think that's a a dagger.
941
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,760
And I think the room temperature
mimosa is reflecting on the
942
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,600
relationship and reflecting the
like things that the person
943
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,320
would do that would kind of like
irk them, right?
944
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,360
Leaving their drink out on the
the counter, not cleaning up
945
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,040
after.
Himself.
946
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,760
Maybe it's love it.
It's not a hot relationship,
947
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,240
it's a room temperature.
Relationship.
948
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Oh, Dave.
Dave, I'm just listening to what
949
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,480
you're saying.
And then you kind of went and I
950
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,600
thought, no, that's not.
I was too.
951
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,080
Literal.
I was too literal and I like
952
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,600
your take.
And maybe it's actually this
953
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,000
relationship is a tad room
temperature.
954
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Yeah, because a mimosa is
supposed to be sort of like a.
955
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Is it cold?
Happy brunch, celebratory
956
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,320
champagne thing.
Sweet and celebratory champagne.
957
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,720
The sweet from the orange juice.
And does it have ice?
958
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,560
No, no, I can't drink.
It's chilled.
959
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,640
Off there.
Oh bless.
960
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,160
No, but Dave is right you.
Have no idea.
961
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,120
You took it.
You took it to a.
962
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,280
Whole other level.
Dave, I'm proud of you.
963
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,280
I'm impressed.
I'm digging it.
964
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,760
Love that, Dave.
Nice.
965
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,240
Dave, did you have is that was
was that your big take or you
966
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,200
just got?
That was it.
967
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,760
That's all I got because.
No, but it's.
968
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,840
Foxholes for me.
More than enough.
969
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,240
The only thing and and I can't
escape this is Second World War
970
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,960
soldiers diving in a foxhole
with it playing in the
971
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,000
background.
That's.
972
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Yeah, yeah.
All, all I've got because I like
973
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,720
a bit of Second World War
history as well, and even down
974
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,320
to foxholes.
When we first heard it, back
975
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,640
when it was played live and
you're sat there trying, trying
976
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,320
to listen to the lyrics, that's
all I had and I can't escape
977
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,240
that.
No, I definitely like every time
978
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,400
he says the line.
Not no atheists in the foxholes.
979
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,560
That's what I picture.
Like it's dark, it's night time,
980
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,320
it's raining, it's grungy in
the.
981
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,120
Yeah, running and diving.
Into.
982
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,320
A foxhole, that kind of thing.
I've learnt more listening to
983
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,240
you folks about that than what I
can make out of my own.
984
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,600
No, you me own.
I love when you say.
985
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,160
That me mouse?
No, but that makes sense that
986
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,000
warfare visual is so strong in
this lyrics.
987
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
All right, all right.
Fatal.
988
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Fatal.
Oh, I want.
989
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,080
To ask love, love this song.
Yeah.
990
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,200
Same.
Album.
991
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,440
Absolutely.
Scoundrels Mother heartbreaker
992
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,800
fatal.
Yeah, another heart wrenching
993
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,400
song.
I actually made a note on this
994
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,800
about is it just a multiple?
I've put a multitude of
995
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,120
relationships because you can
read into whatever relationship
996
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:01,040
you want to think about.
Is it about getting back up and
997
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,160
fighting on?
Right.
998
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,720
Don't let it be fatal.
Yeah, don't give in.
999
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,960
And did you catch the visuals?
I know, Dave, you didn't have
1000
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,320
the visuals at your show, but
have you seen the clips of the
1001
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,480
visuals with the the man in the
paddles and shocking them back
1002
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,760
to life?
You got to see that.
1003
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
You got to look at a video of
Fox of Fatal and see that.
1004
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,200
I I've only ever watched them
once and not really took much
1005
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,920
notice because it was like it
was all new and fresh.
1006
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,400
Do you know what I mean?
I really can't get enough of
1007
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,640
this song.
It just hits you, art.
1008
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:49,400
Yeah, I I dig it into the the
line at the end, you know.
1009
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,040
Oh, I said the last verse is
gold and heartbreaking everyone.
1010
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,760
Yeah.
Actually, I had a question for
1011
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Angie as our resident Bible
expert on Sinai's peak.
1012
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,240
He took my hand.
Does that mean something?
1013
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,080
Mount Sinai, Sinai's peak?
Yeah.
1014
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Is there something you can
really relate to?
1015
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,720
I knew it meant something like
from the Bible.
1016
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,600
It does.
Mount Sinai is Moses went up
1017
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,920
Mount Sinai and that's where God
supposedly gave Moses the 10
1018
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,640
commandments.
Oh, OK of.
1019
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,600
Course it was done.
Did you think about that when
1020
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,120
you were thinking of this song
and.
1021
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Yes, I yes, I did.
And that's one of my favorite
1022
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,360
lines known as the place where
God delivered the 10
1023
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,280
commandments to Moses and spoke
to Moses in the in the burning
1024
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,760
Bush.
So the story goes that there
1025
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160
that he received the 10
commandments and then on the top
1026
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,080
of the mountain there was a
literal Bush that was on fire
1027
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,320
and that was representative of
God, and Moses could hear God
1028
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,800
speak.
Through this.
1029
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,600
Fire.
What do you think about the
1030
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,920
context of the song?
I felt like AI felt like there
1031
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:23,360
was a lot of references to panic
and Full disclosure, being
1032
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,880
someone who has had panic
attacks in the past, it almost
1033
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:34,360
felt like the anatomy of a panic
attack in a given situation.
1034
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,240
Thoughts manifest in a wink.
Insanity.
1035
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,240
It beckons again.
Is this where the loud part
1036
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,400
begins?
That spiral of panic is
1037
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,280
starting?
And when it says too late to
1038
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,000
surface, watching the tide turn,
I can't stop it.
1039
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,200
The spiral has started.
I can't stop it.
1040
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,160
I know how it ends, but I still
feel suspenseful.
1041
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,680
I've been through a panic
attack.
1042
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,040
I've been OK every other time,
but I'm still suspenseful
1043
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,560
because what if this is the one
time where I'm not OK?
1044
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,280
And then where he says, you make
it so hard for a boy to believe
1045
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,320
there's anything beyond what I
think it I see.
1046
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,760
Like I can't see reality past
the panic.
1047
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:22,000
So that really kind of that
really kind of jumped out at me
1048
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,680
and that's something I really
didn't see before.
1049
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Again, it's just my thoughts,
but I think maybe, like I said,
1050
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,600
being someone who has
experienced that before, it
1051
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,440
probably jumped out at me more
than, you know someone who
1052
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,760
hasn't experienced that would
because it feels familiar.
1053
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,200
I like that.
I like.
1054
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,200
That I really.
That really fits.
1055
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,640
That really makes sense.
You're too good at this, Angie,
1056
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,080
aren't you?
Yeah.
1057
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,160
I've only written a few notes,
she says.
1058
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,040
Yeah, well, and she said she
wrote more than she thought she
1059
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,040
would write.
Death Box.
1060
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:10,560
Death box, my beloved.
Is that your favorite?
1061
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,320
This is your song.
You best start then.
1062
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,120
I just love calling it the
Leslie song.
1063
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,160
I never thought I'd love a song
called Death Box.
1064
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,000
I had no clue what the heck a
song called Death Box could
1065
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:33,440
sound like, but here we are.
I love again the lyrics man, the
1066
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,520
lyricism.
I love the play on words
1067
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,800
outstanding in your field, out
standing in your field.
1068
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,040
Love that.
But baby, I'm on the fence.
1069
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,680
I like so instead of, you know,
usually say like, oh, they're
1070
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,040
outstanding in their field of
dentistry or something, right?
1071
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,840
But no, you're out standing in
your field and he's on the
1072
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,080
fence.
I literally picture like a
1073
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,520
scarecrow on the fence.
He's a scarecrow on the fence.
1074
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,520
Yeah, you just.
Dude, you're genius I never
1075
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,960
thought about.
That's my picture and you know,
1076
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,960
no solace in the dollar.
Basically money can't buy
1077
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,520
everything, can't buy your
piece.
1078
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,960
When he says you found God, I
got interred.
1079
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Oh, that's so heavy and just I
wrote the word lush.
1080
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,320
I didn't know else to have to
describe that, but it's so good.
1081
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,240
Not sure it's going to create
what you intend to create.
1082
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,000
This might get a little dicey.
This is where I think it's about
1083
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,680
you think what you're doing is
going to bring you fame and
1084
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,880
success.
And you know what?
1085
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,840
I'm not sure it's going to
create what you intend to
1086
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,640
create.
And, and when he talks about,
1087
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,640
you know, no solace in the
dollar.
1088
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,880
I'm not going to fight you for a
parking space.
1089
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,120
I'm not fighting you for ranks
on YouTube or wherever or online
1090
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,920
space.
I'm not fighting for it.
1091
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,560
You have all you want.
I don't even care.
1092
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,880
The chorus.
I wrote chorus, my beloved,
1093
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,440
because I love.
Come on, girl, spit it out.
1094
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,800
Of course.
What is it?
1095
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,880
Things to do, people to see.
I wrote.
1096
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,040
Oh, OK, come on girl, spit it
out.
1097
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,000
The world is calling me because
he has things to do, people to
1098
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,120
see, albums to make, tours to
play.
1099
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,200
Let's go again.
I have the napkin, I have the
1100
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,800
pen.
Let's go.
1101
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,920
Hurry along and move it along.
The double entendre with the
1102
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,360
elevator we were having a laugh
at the other day in the girls
1103
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:52,840
chat.
He wants to get off, but it's
1104
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,960
not his floor.
OK, that's to me.
1105
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,160
That's a bit of humor right
there.
1106
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,120
You could hear that two
different ways.
1107
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,480
If I knew I'd offer you, I'd
give you mine.
1108
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,320
You know, basically, I, we could
end this misery if I could just
1109
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,080
give you what I can give you my
like freaking play button.
1110
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,240
I could give you my followers,
my subscribers and this misery
1111
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,080
and this misery that's just been
dragging on.
1112
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,880
That's how I see it.
And I could be way off, but
1113
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,480
that's that's where my head goes
that.
1114
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:29,600
Was see it this this song is
such like a a deep personal
1115
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,520
song.
It feels like you just described
1116
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,880
it perfectly.
Thanks, I mean it may be my
1117
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,880
parasocial self that's doing it
but.
1118
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,480
Yeah, I have to ask you, does
the intro in this song remind
1119
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,840
you of Planetary Go?
Yes.
1120
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,120
From Danger Days.
Yeah.
1121
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,600
It was like the first thing I
thought was, oh, my gosh, it
1122
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,600
sounds like Planetary Go.
But I love the intro, and I know
1123
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,880
Leslie loves the intro too.
I just have a few thoughts.
1124
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,800
I think I might have said this
before, but one of my favorite
1125
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,800
parts in this song is right
around 3 minutes where you get
1126
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,120
the drums and they just get a
little more menacing each time.
1127
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,240
It's, you know, it's like
something's creeping up on you.
1128
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,080
And Leslie, a lot of the things
that you said about feeling
1129
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,280
trapped and like, can we just
get on with this?
1130
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,360
I felt that too.
Like I had like basically one
1131
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,080
line of interpretation.
I wrote, I am so done with this.
1132
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,080
Can we just move on?
Stuck, trapped elevator.
1133
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,560
That's what I had.
Yes.
1134
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,560
Like he just wants to be done
with it.
1135
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,400
So yeah, no, I agree with you.
You said it so much more it.
1136
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,640
Probably does just want to get
off the elevator.
1137
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,360
Detail but.
But I like figure it the other
1138
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,200
way too, because I think it's
funny.
1139
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,000
It's life without a little.
Humor.
1140
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,040
Yeah.
Yeah.
1141
01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:00,800
Scoundrels.
So for me at least, the the
1142
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,320
lions and I fall.
Oh, I tend to fall sometimes,
1143
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,240
but I can't access heaven if I
tried.
1144
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,200
I think going back to My
Chemical Romance, the whole
1145
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,479
album of three Cheers for Sweet
Revenge is about these two
1146
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:24,600
people who die at their wedding.
But this he the guy makes a deal
1147
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:30,000
with the devil to kill 1000 evil
men or 100 evil men.
1148
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,600
And when he to see his wife
again because she's in heaven
1149
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:43,920
and he's an owl and he, he kills
the 99 people and then realizes
1150
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,160
because he killed those 99
people, he's the 100th person.
1151
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,200
But he can't die because he's
already dead.
1152
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,680
So he'll, he has to accept that
he'll never see his love again.
1153
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:03,960
And I just I feel like that that
resonates with this song, the
1154
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,000
character, he'll never reach
someone who is so angelic
1155
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,800
because going back to one of the
other songs, it's like about the
1156
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,880
devil would would love to meet
her because he can't because
1157
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,080
she's so like pure.
And I just think that's what
1158
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:27,600
it's about, the characters.
You know, that's funny, Cam.
1159
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,600
I can't remember which song it
was on this album, but I had
1160
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:37,240
compared one of the songs to the
actual Demolition Lovers songs,
1161
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:42,840
which the Demolition Lovers are.
It's basically the colloquial
1162
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,200
name of the two people that Cam
was just talking about.
1163
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,479
So I get you there, Cam.
Yeah.
1164
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,960
That's a good take.
Cool.
1165
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,439
See, now you make me want to
listen to some MCR.
1166
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,640
You should.
I just had down because I, I
1167
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,360
can't let go of this theme.
The sponsors and, you know, all
1168
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,080
our friends I think he's talking
about.
1169
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,080
Yeah.
You know fellow online.
1170
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:12,760
Friends.
Friends in the same Yeah, to
1171
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,720
attract a national brand.
So it's like they're selling out
1172
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:22,120
or Yeah, they claim to have
these morals and values, but
1173
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,400
they just have enough just to
fit on a postcard and to an
1174
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,080
insult to injury obscured by a
stamp.
1175
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,560
It's just so poetic.
I wrote poetic.
1176
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,480
Yeah, yeah.
I just think that that is a
1177
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,480
story right there all in itself,
and it that that's the picture
1178
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:41,840
it paints for me.
It's very true to life.
1179
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:47,680
His life is what I see in.
That yeah, it's dig at the
1180
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,400
online community.
Yeah, but I think not just yet,
1181
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,000
right?
I think it's a dig at someone in
1182
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,560
specific, and I won't say it.
Yeah.
1183
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,160
Yeah, I just have a little bit
on scoundrels.
1184
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:05,240
Not much.
Yeah, Of Scoundrels is my
1185
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,640
favorite song on this album.
This is a barn burner scorcher
1186
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,760
of a song in in a couple of
different ways.
1187
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,400
It it feels very self
flagellating.
1188
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,000
It's it's just raw.
This is a raw song.
1189
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,440
Yeah.
So Angie would the would would
1190
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:28,560
the rockiness that the heaviest
heaviness does that convert to
1191
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,320
something like anger,
frustration, being heavier, more
1192
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,320
scrap, shoutier?
You know, that's a good
1193
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,160
question.
It's like, like I said, it feels
1194
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,160
raw.
And I don't know if that rawness
1195
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:46,040
converts to anger or
frustration, but I feel like it
1196
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:53,760
is coming from the deepest place
inside of him that maybe we've
1197
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,120
possibly seen on this entire
album.
1198
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:05,760
And I think that could be a
reason why it's so heavy.
1199
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:12,480
There's just he's, he's bearing
the weight of so many things.
1200
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,840
And that's the way in which it's
manifesting itself.
1201
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,880
And he even talks about building
a viewing platform just to watch
1202
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,240
it burn.
You know, everything's burning
1203
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,800
around tonight, like.
The lyric.
1204
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,600
Just.
Kills me, kills me, but it's so
1205
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,640
good.
It kills me though and I love I
1206
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,960
could see the woods if not for
all these epic trees.
1207
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,760
Why don't they close?
I love that too, but I love that
1208
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,440
line so much.
'Cause you like it when Wilbur
1209
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,440
swears.
It's really good.
1210
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:44,360
I can't you.
Feel it.
1211
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,360
You feel when he's.
Oh yeah, the yes, the emotions.
1212
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,440
It's like the end of the fall.
This this part feels like.
1213
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Yes, I love the sweary parts.
I know you do.
1214
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,600
I yell.
The sweary parts.
1215
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:06,360
I know you do.
Releases the anger and the
1216
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,120
frustration.
Yes.
1217
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,160
I'm not saying I don't in the
privacy of my own car or
1218
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,280
something.
Oh tut tut tut.
1219
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,400
We knew it.
I expected more singing God.
1220
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,120
But then, OK, let's get.
To the end, despite anything he
1221
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,160
might ever say or do or how he
may succeed, is always going to
1222
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,000
be a scoundrel.
I think he feels like he's never
1223
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,720
going to shake this.
Ever.
1224
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,840
No.
Matter how big he gets, it's
1225
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,080
always going to come back to
this.
1226
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,400
Yeah, it's always going to be in
his bio somewhere.
1227
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,200
Yep, Yep.
Pisses me off.
1228
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,000
Next real monochrome.
Monochrome.
1229
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,120
Oh, monochrome.
Love it.
1230
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,880
What an ending to like a
incredible album.
1231
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,080
Yeah, it needed it.
It like it's perfect.
1232
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,480
It's a perfect ending.
Like you said.
1233
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,960
It's like ending what you
couldn't end with any of these
1234
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,560
other songs.
It had to be like.
1235
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,160
It had to song.
It's epic.
1236
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,720
It is an epic, sweeping song.
Am I right in thinking with the
1237
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:31,000
endings you have is monochrome
on the encore and the is it the
1238
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,240
full?
Oh, like in the shows?
1239
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,280
Yeah, in the shows, because the
four was a very good ending.
1240
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,600
Yeah, it's.
And now Monocrome is a very good
1241
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,240
ending, am I?
Right.
1242
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,800
Fall was the encore, the last
song.
1243
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,320
All right, so Monocrome is
first, and then the Fall is the
1244
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,720
encore.
Yeah, 2 great endings.
1245
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,920
But the setlist changed, so it
wasn't always like that.
1246
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,280
They didn't always play them in
order.
1247
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,200
I think in Chicago we got them
in order, right?
1248
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,080
Is that the Chicago setlist?
That's Chicago.
1249
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,920
Yeah, yeah, we got them in
order, but there were other
1250
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,000
shows that did not get them all
in order, like Monochrome was
1251
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,360
maybe third or fourth from the
end.
1252
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,920
Yeah, I have mine right.
I don't think they've ever not
1253
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,920
ended ended, ended with the
fall.
1254
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,080
Yeah, I think they want to end
with end of the bang and not
1255
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,840
like a.
Somber.
1256
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,320
Somber thing.
Leave you wanting more.
1257
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,360
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
1258
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,520
Make sure your hearings really
gone.
1259
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,520
Your voice is really gone.
Yeah, yeah.
1260
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,720
So back to monochrome.
Yes Sir.
1261
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,520
What do we think?
I wrote beautiful.
1262
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:48,760
I love.
Yeah, Yeah.
1263
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,320
Haunting, I wrote.
You know, hauntingly beautiful.
1264
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,800
Especially the ending.
I love how it steps down.
1265
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,920
I'm doing the wrong tone, but I
mean yeah.
1266
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,920
Oh, but then like the pitching
preen and carnivore, like you
1267
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:14,320
know what he's talking about.
Again, self loathing wishes to
1268
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,080
be rust or broken glass at
least.
1269
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,280
Like those are useful in some
way.
1270
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,640
But he's just in the middle.
He's neither here nor there.
1271
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,160
He's useless.
Like, again, he's down on
1272
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:31,360
himself.
And if, oh, and if take me with
1273
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,080
you, Oh, my goodness.
There's like a whole minute of
1274
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,640
if you have, if if you have to
leave tonight, would you take me
1275
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:38,640
with you?
Yeah.
1276
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,200
It's so good.
He's so good.
1277
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,520
The the world needs to hear
these songs.
1278
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:47,680
The world needs to hear these
songs.
1279
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,920
I love Reddit imagery in this
song.
1280
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:56,200
It's got such a noir type of
feel to it, you know, I mean,
1281
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,800
obviously with the name
Monochrome, but can't you just
1282
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,480
like hear these lyrics and then
just picture everything in your
1283
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:04,280
mind?
It's just, it's gorgeous.
1284
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,000
And I love the line.
I, I feel like this line is so
1285
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,240
ironic.
And I'll pretend that I'm not
1286
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,960
set alight by cadence.
I love that line because one of
1287
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,560
the things for this song that
just gets me, that has me in a
1288
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,280
chokehold, is the cadence of the
way he sings the verses.
1289
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,600
It's like, yes, yes, it is.
And you know, it's so great that
1290
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,360
it's the end of the album.
I love it.
1291
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,800
And it's really sad in a way
that it's the end of the album
1292
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,280
because we've gotten all the way
through this and there's still
1293
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,440
no resolution for this person.
The protagonist is, you know,
1294
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:44,080
they're still stuck, they're
still uncertain.
1295
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,160
They're still grappling with all
these things.
1296
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,680
I haven't gotten anywhere.
It's still the same old, same
1297
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,880
old.
So, yeah, it's sad.
1298
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,520
But like you said, it's Leslie.
I think you said this.
1299
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:03,920
It's hauntingly beautiful.
And I think that as a whole,
1300
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,320
it's why most people don't
understand that they don't that
1301
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,640
I haven't heard the songs.
I just know I play the same
1302
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,640
songs in the same album over and
over again is because of the
1303
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,880
imagery.
It's always interesting.
1304
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,160
It's always you're always
picking up on a nuance or a play
1305
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,320
on words you and just like
pictures.
1306
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,120
It's like picturing a your
favorite movie over and over.
1307
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,640
You're picturing like the scenes
and the things happening and
1308
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,280
just the way he says the words
and the way he says them.
1309
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:38,800
I don't know.
That's how I I know Angie.
1310
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,200
You feel like that a lot.
You pick up on the bass and
1311
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,800
stuff, I pick on the drums.
Like everybody has their thing
1312
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:50,480
that that's that pulls them in.
But he's a genius in that we all
1313
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,320
get so much out of it, out of
each song.
1314
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,640
He that's how I feel.
He really is.
1315
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,880
And it's funny that you say
bass, because I was just going
1316
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,960
to say that this song is a
perfect example of the bass
1317
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:08,160
really pulling through some of
that imagery.
1318
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,520
Right before the chorus, when
it's just Ash playing is where
1319
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,640
you get sort of that darkly
alluring feeling and it
1320
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,440
continues through the verse.
And I know, guys, I've said this
1321
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,920
100 million times, but Ash
Kubosu does not get enough
1322
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,800
credit.
Ash Kubosu is a bass playing God
1323
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,920
and he should get so much more
credit than he does.
1324
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:44,200
His sound has really contributed
to Lovejoy's signature sound in
1325
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,520
its own.
Just having that bass in there
1326
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,280
so.
That's right.
1327
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,320
And it's I'm glad you said that
because I that was a bit of
1328
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,480
attachment.
But yeah, no, no, that's good
1329
01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:58,480
because I harp on the I do harp
on the lyrics a lot at the
1330
01:19:58,480 --> 01:19:59,840
drums.
I adore.
1331
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,720
I love playing along with the
drums in my car, hitting
1332
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,960
everything and because of being
a.
1333
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,920
I'm sweating of some sort.
Oh, swearing.
1334
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,560
You'll never load that down.
No, I guess not, but yeah.
1335
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,280
They're.
All former drummer I the drums
1336
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,080
like get to me like you.
The bass gets to you and your
1337
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,360
daughter and plays.
What about you Dave?
1338
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,760
I want to hear more of your
monochrome take if you have any.
1339
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:34,520
I I just love it.
I just sit there and it's this
1340
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:40,000
whole boot staring shoe gaze
ending brings me back the whole
1341
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,600
for me, the whole song is kind
of made mean and Moody.
1342
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:50,800
A mean, Moody shoe gaze delight.
Oh, I like it.
1343
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,040
I love that.
I feel like we all each have
1344
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,480
come up with sort of like little
like tag lines you'd see in a
1345
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,000
movie review.
Right now.
1346
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,240
We need cams.
That's.
1347
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,640
What I was picturing in
quotations.
1348
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:09,840
You mean Moody shoegaze delight?
Dave, awesome closing thought
1349
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,840
for you.
If the situation didn't happen,
1350
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,800
what sort of album would we have
gotten?
1351
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:22,600
Oh.
A big boom boom boom boom boom.
1352
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,080
Like very exciting album.
Like normal people.
1353
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,600
Things I was going to say.
More like normal people things.
1354
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,760
Either that or a calmer album
like Sober was.
1355
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,040
That makes sense too.
They both make sense.
1356
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,960
Tell us your thoughts.
Just can't imagine if this
1357
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,120
situation didn't happen.
What happened?
1358
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:51,520
You do you know what I mean?
I know and you wonder what was
1359
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,680
what was written pre February
exactly?
1360
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,000
What was scratched?
What was that's?
1361
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,440
What I want to know?
How much is from then?
1362
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:08,200
Or do they scrap, scrap it all,
start over again and even with
1363
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:12,160
sober.
Because every single, yeah,
1364
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:19,560
every single song on this album
is about the situation around
1365
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,640
the situation.
We can surmise, or that's how we
1366
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,840
interpret it, or that's what it
certainly seems like.
1367
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,640
We do know for a fact that
everything involving the album
1368
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,720
was after.
I believe they said they were
1369
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:38,440
going to release another EP, but
they just completely scrapped
1370
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:39,120
all of it.
That's.
1371
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,840
Right.
There's only there's only like 1
1372
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,160
lyric that made it through which
was I'm afraid I broke a string
1373
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,760
and everything else is is brand
new.
1374
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,320
From my understanding a brand
new.
1375
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,480
That's right, yeah.
I heard that they had scrapped a
1376
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:02,320
whole EP, but I didn't know when
that was.
1377
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,160
That's interesting.
Yeah, it was.
1378
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Like an ironic line to keep.
Yeah, that's my understand.
1379
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,160
I like I've that's what I've
heard from from like different
1380
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:30,560
outlets.
OK kind of related, does anyone
1381
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,760
have trouble listening to you
sober without getting like
1382
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,440
stressed out?
I can't really listen.
1383
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:38,120
I I'll.
Play I love you sober.
1384
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,600
But it makes me sad because it's
that year and.
1385
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,920
It's it's the end of the era.
And I.
1386
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,840
Untimely end.
I feel like by the time it came
1387
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:56,000
out they didn't even want to.
I think I had.
1388
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,800
To release it for whatever
reason.
1389
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:03,200
Because they teased it forever.
They did all the right things
1390
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,720
that you're supposed to do.
Tease a song 20 times before you
1391
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,000
release it.
And then all hell broke loose.
1392
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,680
And I feel like it was kind of a
shield.
1393
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:18,320
It was, it was this wall to put
so it would catch all the
1394
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,000
negativity so the album would be
able to breakthrough.
1395
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,240
That's what it found to me.
Sorry.
1396
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,160
That was really loud that.
Was a good that's a good take
1397
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,560
that's a good take and I'm you
know it's good they did that
1398
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,160
actually it's convenient that
they had that shield then
1399
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,000
because.
For me.
1400
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,880
And a music video in the tank,
you know?
1401
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,880
Yeah, I don't remember like
seeing anything relating to it
1402
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,240
until it released.
I wasn't on Twitter at the like.
1403
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,160
I didn't.
Oh, OK.
1404
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,840
Yeah, they teased it a lot.
Not a little like after the
1405
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,480
situation, like they come around
in the situation.
1406
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:57,720
No, they were radio silence.
Sorry.
1407
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,960
Andrew just dropped it on a
random Wednesday.
1408
01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,760
Yeah, or Thursday.
It was Wednesday.
1409
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,760
Thursday.
Yeah, it was super random.
1410
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,640
I.
Well, well, nothing's more than
1411
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,360
an MSR.
Well, thank everybody.
1412
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,560
Thank you all for joining us.
Thank you so much for letting.
1413
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,880
Your thoughts in the comments?
We love it so much thank you for
1414
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:25,240
listening as always, be sure to
follow all the Lovejoy nation
1415
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:31,560
social, especially TikTok.
Please LVJY nation just like
1416
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,000
every other channel, almost 8800
followers trying to get 10,000
1417
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,600
and we have a great prize
giveaway courtesy of Angie once
1418
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,600
that milestone is reached.
So please, I please and thank
1419
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:49,320
you and.
Thank you, Cam.
1420
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,520
Thank you.
So much for your this was a
1421
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,240
dream come true.
This has been awesome.
1422
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:01,440
See that approval?
That's how I've been here for.
1423
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:03,080
That's how I've.
Been stamp of approval.
1424
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,560
Yes.
Thanks for coming, Cam.
1425
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:07,360
It was great to have you.
